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and good afternoon Frank here with

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another episode of UFO news network

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Sunday we recorded this show earlier

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started maybe 15 to 20 minutes into the

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conversation YouTube was nice enough not

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to tell me that they had changed their

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server configurations and the

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what I'm going to do is go to the

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recorded conversation that we did a

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who's on and all that through the new

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changed so here we go hang on that any

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we

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it's these are a bunch of bureaucrats

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that got high positions and management

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level or high level defense you know

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level positions or CIA positions that

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were not the people who did the reports

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did not do the legwork

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they had other people doing that and so

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why do I sit here and expect that Lu's

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gonna write a scientific paper when he's

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not a scientist and so I had to get my

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expectations changed and so now they're

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looking for people like you know even

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like se you to maybe help out to do kind

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of thing the same kind of thing well

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that's we need to all get together and

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help support them a little bit terms of

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putting stuff out you know okay I may

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have misheard you you'll have to correct

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me rich I'm Sarah had to leave for a

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moment but I certainly wasn't looking

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for Lou to provide us with a scientific

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paper I think that's ridiculous I have

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no idea who would be dumb enough to

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actually ask that kind of question

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the question I had 40 TSA is I would

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like to see them provide the scientific

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analysis and reports that are behind the

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kind of claims that they're making now

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if somebody assumes I'm not saying you

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are rich by the way I'm just saying this

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generally speaking without you involved

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if somebody thinks I'm asking for Lou

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Elizondo scientific report I mean that's

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just laughable now back to my point I

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would like to see T TSA provide

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information to back up their claims of

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scientific discoveries that they've had

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regarding possible UAP fragments or

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metamaterials or exotic alloys or fill

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in the blank what are what's everybody's

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thoughts on that and please I'd love to

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hear any kind of discussion on this

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topic I'll jump in because I don't think

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that you know number one I think that

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they're they're going to do it when

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they've done

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appropriate homework I mean they're a

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relatively new organization if they do

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have the materials it was probably

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looked at by an organization maybe like

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big low or something like that or or

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even other kind of like labs that were

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engaged in it I don't know I don't know

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what access that they have to like if

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some of these things were done under a

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tip for example and it was under a

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contract then there's there's they're

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not obligated to give those analyses out

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at all if they're probably still

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government material and so you're not

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going to get necessarily that analysis

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especially of an object or something

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like that if it's still within the

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government reins and and that's so

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unless they got these materials outside

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of that in order there's somehow made

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them releasable I don't expect to see

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same thing I just throw out there is

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it's strange that not only they seem to

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have a scientific division where they're

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studying things but they're an

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entertainment company and to George

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Knapp's point in that radio interview

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one of the things you said is I

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completely understand that they're

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trying to hold back this information

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because they want to break the story and

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it may be that that's why they're not

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releasing it right now I don't know but

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that one thing I find really important

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to is is the provenance of these

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materials and the story behind it in

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other words even even though they you

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know we'll get a scientific analysis

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perform and you know conclusions will be

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made off that but to me it's where did

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you get this stuff and you know why

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can't we know that and that should be

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part of what what's explained to us when

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that data comes out because you know

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without a strong provenance on that I

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you know I would question it I'd like to

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hear what dr. irina scott has to say

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about the meta materials because she

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worked at the patel institute you guys

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would be it's something that would cost

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money and maybe that's why it isn't done

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too much

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but to thin it to regular scientists

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like Mattel and other metallurgists and

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have I mean send it to several

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organizations and have them analyze it

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and then put the information together

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from organizations that don't have

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anything to do with UFOs would be my

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opinion on how to a good way to analyze

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it if you had the material you had the

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no presuppositions there on the

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investigators part in other words

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they're not desiring a certain a certain

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disposition on the materials it's just

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we you know you're gonna get an honest

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opinion from someone like that yeah

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don't even tell them you know yeah you

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think Morrises cool i I think I know I

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sounds like I'm whining about this but I

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don't mind the the issue that I've had

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which I've received a lot of vitriol in

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the UFO community about which I've

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already talked about is TTS saying not

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publishing of the evidence they've found

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regarding the sources and well really

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all of it the whole nine yards the the

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the problem though that I've had is

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they've taken too long now I know that

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there's good arguments against what I'm

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talking about here as far as taking too

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long what does that mean you know it's

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not really it's not on my timeframe is

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it but then again how many years how

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many years do we have to wait until they

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being a TTS a provides us the kind of

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data to be able to scrutinize their

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findings example being a year ago they

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provided a I think September last year

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they they said they had seven bits of

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material they wanted to discuss with the

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public it's generating a lot of interest

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every time the TTS a brings up

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metamaterial discoveries or that kind of

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subject matter am I wrong I think let me

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Jack we've already pointed out that that

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we have spent almost two years doing the

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doing these papers that we're doing

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right in research and in

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and arena will be able to collect it to

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tell you this the research takes a long

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while and science doesn't progress at

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the rate that everybody out there and

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then the public world expects that it's

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gonna be on their little juicy plates so

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I mean there's a there's a timeframe for

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it and if I were them and I had

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materials boy I would be well I would be

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taking a little bit of time I can't

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possibly even years before I've even

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come out and make some sort of a

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statement about the background I've got

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that sure you don't want to publish

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inaccurate results either precisely for

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somebody that's not a scientist what

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would you guys like to see dr. Scott or

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somebody that knows as far as you know

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the types of studies on these materials

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and also does anyone know that the costs

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of those kind of studies yeah like mass

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spectrometry that would be pretty

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expensive but it would show quite a bit

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and chromatograms and different things

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like that are expensive to do but they

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would show you what the compounds are

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yeah and whether it's something unusual

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or whether it's something you know that

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is used even though it's not very used

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so that you'd be able to roughly tell if

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it's something normal or something

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really odd how does yeah how do some

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isotopic ratio I mean that always comes

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out as sort of like the the best thing

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you can do to see if something is off

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world that kind of test wouldn't be the

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first thing you do obviously then well

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they use things like that like they tell

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meteors from Mars because it has argon

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in it and things like that and there's

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kind of signatures from you know earth

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material and other places you know that

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the isotopic ratio so that's why you

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would need to use the other tests first

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because you after I identify what exotic

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material it might be you're even looking

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at before you can determine how far it

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would be off the periodic table from a

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normal isotopic ratio there and I hope

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that you know if TTS a does come out and

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release or at least on their TV show

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saying that they have you know done this

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that they release this to groups like

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SCU and people that can analyze these

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papers that in you know double check

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right peer review yeah okay but is it is

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it unfair to characterize the TTS a as

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making claims of discovery regarding

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anything for purposes of trying to make

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themselves more popular so to speak or

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trying to generate interest about the

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TTS a in other words having a different

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agenda rather than really just waiting

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for their own reports which might take

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years to come out well that's a that's

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an interesting point I will also point

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out that you know with the fact that

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they've got this entertainment portion

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to them and the fact that they're also

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seeking investors which is what their

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model is is to get funding and you know

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so they're always going to be in a

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competition to be able to promote

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something with interests to get

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investors because that's their structure

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and that's how they're gonna pay for the

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those kind of like analyses that they

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want you know I mean so I think we're

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gonna be living with this for a while I

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mean that's what the how they're

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structured you have to find a research

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though I mean you have to you have to

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have fun so by the way everyone we too

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are looking for funding so I'll give you

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my email right but it is a good point

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that's sort of what's confusing about

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TTS a or it makes some people

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uncomfortable is this blend of those

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types of organizations and then you know

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what what becomes the priority I mean

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you know dollars you know

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controlling the message and you know the

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science I mean it is it's a little

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confusing it's it's a new model and you

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know I'm neutral on it I'm I'm I mean

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I'm supportive but I'm a wait-and-see

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kind of guy too so be interesting to see

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how they handle this and if they can do

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it in a way that you know generates

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confidence in them I'm hopeful I mean I

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hope that they are successful yeah thank

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you

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Earl TTS a was formed 2017 as a public

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benefit corporation that strives to

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empower the outer edges of science and

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engineering through research innovation

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education and then they go on to say in

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their financials we have taken great

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store strides towards this goal and

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achieved what we believe are historic

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milestones through the outstanding

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collaboration of our team of experts in

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science aerospace and entertainment I

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just wanted to read that that's from

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your financials and the SEC portion

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regarding mighty TSA research I think

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it's a good idea and I think many of us

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have including rich Hoffmann possibly

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looked up the SEC information on TTS a

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just type in a TTS a and SEC Securities

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Exchange Commission is what that stands

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for doc up and you'll see two years

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worth of SEC financial information I

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think I think I'd like to move on to a

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different topic now and wanted to bring

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up a really wonderful conference of that

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went on earlier in the year and let me

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go ahead and get the information on that

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here it is it's the SCU

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and rich you've had a wonderful

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conference this year can you please go

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into that conference a little bit

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regarding the speakers that were there

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and what it was about

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sure so bottom line we got started su as

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part of its vision statement that it's

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reaching out to the public and helping

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to educate the public so I had wanted to

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hold something here in in Huntsville

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Alabama I work over at the Redstone

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Arsenal at the Army Materiel Command

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and uh and I had been for a long time

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wanting to hold something here and and

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have it right outside of the base and

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see if I could encourage people from

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NASA Marshall Space Flight Center here

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as well as you've got all the missile

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defense agency and all that missile and

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and type of people here propulsion

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systems experts anyway and so I proposed

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the idea that I wanted to have an SEO

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conference here and I did that in about

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October of last year and then decided to

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have this thing in March and so began

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working with like Robert Powell and a

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number of us to say well who can we get

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to come and of course we thought well we

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can deliver you know some of our stuff

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and help introduce what su is about and

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we're trying to do and then also

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encourage you know as many people from

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the base to come out and to attend and

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have now for the maybe a good chance to

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have some UFO discussions with some of

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those base personnel and and so that was

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my objective and so we we basically you

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know started promoting it around the

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December timeframe and we opened up for

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ticket sales and I wanted to keep it low

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cost because I wanted to make it you

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know easy for people that afford to be

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able to come and so I literally made it

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to the point where it was like 170 or

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150 dollars initially and that included

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things like for meals at this restaurant

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and they were willing to work with me at

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the restaurant and can do that and so we

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started promoting it and well what

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happened right then was the fact that

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the the government shutdown happened and

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so suddenly now half of the base is

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completely closed the NASA side as well

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as you know you have other organizations

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that were all completely closed and you

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know they couldn't afford to even come

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and so it was rather discouraging and I

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had a minimum of people that I had to

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get and I also had a limited quantity of

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tickets that I could've even sold to

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people who fit in the venue that I had

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it in and so

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we started getting presenters that were

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wanting to come I I've had dr. Travis

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Taylor he's got two PhDs and three

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master's degrees in physics and various

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other things and he's worked all over

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the base he's been he's currently

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working at the space and missile defense

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agency and he'd been working with MDA as

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well as the NASA side and then i

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additionally had philippe Alerus

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Philippe is was over from Amsterdam and

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he's part of SEO and he he wanted to

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come and present and then I he was going

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to talk about use of satellites because

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now there are these earth orbiting

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satellites that we might be able to tap

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into for UFO investigations then in

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addition to that we we thought while we

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could deliver the aqua dia report and

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and also the Nimitz report there and

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then we had propulsion specialists that

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came and presented and oh and then I

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also got dr. Kevin Knuth down from

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University of Albany and he brought with

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him dr. Matthews to Daggett's who was a

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into basically dark matter and dark

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energy stuff research so we had an

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impressive number of PhDs I think that

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there were probably something on a scale

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about maybe 12 PhDs all polled that

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attended the conference and it was

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extremely good so you know a success to

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the point where now a lot of these

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people encouraged me to do it again next

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year and so we'll do it again next year

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possibly later like in April or May but

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I was extremely thrilled with the fact

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that we got the turnout that we did and

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the quality of people that we did and it

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was just it for me it was like when I

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was like wow and it was a while for a

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lot of people just to jump in rich a

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little tidbit came out that via you on

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Facebook of all places right and that

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was that the help put off was there and

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he had told you that he drew up the

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original statement of work

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which is I guess the parameters of the

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contract for the a tip program my can

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you tell us a little bit about that

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well actually it was for the AUSA yeah

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okay so just to clarify yeah it was a

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surprising thing when I when I was told

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Lou said that well somebody was to be

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coming with him but and we didn't I

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didn't know that was could be dr. Hal

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put off and I'm going like whoa and so

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here he was he showed up and what a what

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an interesting number of conversations I

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had with him but yeah he pretty much

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confirmed the fact that he he lit he was

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the key person who drafted the initial

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scope of work for the AUSA program okay

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I wanted to jump in here and just and

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and rich please interrupt me at any time

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to tell me if I'm incorrect or not but

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the speakers that were at this wonderful

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conference where dr. Travis Taylor

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department defense a scientific approach

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to analyzing and preparing for an alien

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invasion mr. Phillip I cannot pronounce

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his name

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Ritchie okay a project controller

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European Space Agency detection and

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characterization of anomalous aerial

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objects using satellite data imagery mr.

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Robert Powell SCU a 2004 USS Nimitz case

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report I want to get back to that just a

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moment mr. Peter how do I pronounce that

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rich really really okay SC you mm I'm

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sorry for some reason I'm reading 2004

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God okay we'll get back to that thank

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you for confirming that of course

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yourself of the SCU 2013 Aguadilla

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Puerto Rico case technical review which

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actually we do want to cover next and I

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think it's is it is it mr. little I'm

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not sure I'm reading that correctly is

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that right of the SCU unidentified

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submersible object object us so reports

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creating a database for cluster analysis

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did I read that name correctly rich

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she didn't get to come so you're looking

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at an old copy back okay yeah boy that

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would have been interesting and then

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additional panel members include dr. C

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Powell senior engineer scientists at

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Davidson technologies wanted to just

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briefly touch on this USS Nimitz case

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report from Powell and reality regarding

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the case physics it can you jump in and

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tell us a little bit about that you know

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Robert Powell did read bumped into I

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guess that Paco I'm not sure how to say

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it huh I said to Ricci

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cirucci I didn't couldn't know how it

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was anyway he had he had written an

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article and that got him going on it

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several years ago and and I remember

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seeing him he was coming for a contract

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Robert was coming to Huntsville for a

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conference and we talked about it and he

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said he was working hot and heavy on

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that and then what happened was we

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basically formed he formed a team to

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work with him on the rapport and I I was

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one of the members of Morgan Bell was on

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it and doing it you had Peter reali Tim

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Thompson done Kimsey Larry Cates

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and we all kind of got together and we

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would have these periodic meetings and

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we would start to do our basically our

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report

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we were conducting interviews with a lot

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of different people

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commander Slade we talked with we talked

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with the course cabinet day we had

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interviews with a lot of different other

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people as well Gary I think Voorhees if

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I'm saying that right well also was

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interviewed and so we we began doing

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that that homework if you would in terms

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of getting that and we were also trying

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to come up with our you know gain our

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own better understanding of the video

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clip that was released and Larry Cates

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has done a remarkable job on analyzing

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videos and breaking them down into

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individual frames and as it's got tools

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to look at

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pixels and do that analysis so Larry

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concentrated and largely on the video

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Peter reality helped do a lot of the

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physics aspects because you had reports

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of these objects that were dropping down

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from guy like eighty thousand feet and

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then you know maybe down to twenty

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thousand feet and then some of them were

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dropping down to sea level and stopping

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and so we basically started on putting

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the report you know two years ago and of

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course as you you know Dave will well

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but you know point out the fact that on

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Facebook this is a constantly updated

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kind of thing I mean like for example

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when we were like focused on the

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conversation with Kevin day it was about

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the fact that the other ships were

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actually in the area like the Higgins

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and the Chafee were there and we just

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now after we published a report we're

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finding out that no they weren't even on

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site and oh by the way it was not the

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the actual Computex comp you to you axe

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exercise it was actually previous to

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that so where this thing is an

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ever-evolving thing and you're starting

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to to learn more and it almost kind of

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makes our paper a little bit obsolete

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and inaccurate in their context but but

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overall what we attempted to do and this

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is what I hope that everybody walks away

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with here is we tried to do the math

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based upon what we have heard and we try

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to show that if indeed that these

546
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:17,409
objects were we're doing those kinds of

547
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:20,409
things that and we also used very

548
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:22,570
conservative estimates and our report

549
00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:24,340
where they might have said that it

550
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:26,860
happened in point seven eight seconds we

551
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:29,049
plotted it out on a table to show all

552
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:31,570
the way up to ten seconds what it would

553
00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:33,970
be like and we published those things

554
00:29:40,499 --> 00:29:36,340
and showed here's what the speed would

555
00:29:41,999 --> 00:29:40,509
be at you know one you know one one

556
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:42,009
thing we also looked at it from the

557
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,600
standpoint if you have an object that

558
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:45,840
drops out of the sky and scuttling stops

559
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:49,929
well okay is it a parabolic parabolic or

560
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:51,340
is it linear in terms of that

561
00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:53,260
acceleration and deceleration that's

562
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:53,560
going to

563
00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:56,710
happen so we thought about this and we

564
00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:58,750
also tested these things out using

565
00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:01,420
different means which what you don't

566
00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:04,360
also understand we we used you know

567
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:06,460
visual observations to be able to

568
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,680
determine the speed we also use with

569
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:10,480
this thing called blind point distance

570
00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:13,240
to calculate speed we also use the Flair

571
00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:16,060
video to determine speed and all these

572
00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:18,190
different ways of doing it it shows very

573
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:21,940
clearly that you have an object that is

574
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:25,570
not performing anything like anything

575
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:27,910
that we know of on the planet at least

576
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:30,310
that we know up again and that if you

577
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:32,590
take a look at an f-18 dropping down

578
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:34,570
from the sky and doing the same kind of

579
00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:37,360
thing well it could withstand these kind

580
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:39,640
of G's it would be breaking apart and

581
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:43,570
completely you know not there anymore

582
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,290
and so what that does is it gives ammo

583
00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:50,320
for now a conversation with people up on

584
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:52,600
the hill that says hey wait a minute

585
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:55,000
these things are definitely measured at

586
00:30:59,760 --> 00:30:56,950
doing things that are beyond anything

587
00:31:02,430 --> 00:30:59,770
that we know of and we can't even

588
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:02,440
explain what this level of science would

589
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:04,840
be that has you moving at those kind of

590
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:08,290
speeds down from those kind of heights

591
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:11,970
and things like that so it will give Lou

592
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:15,520
ammo to be able to now help get his

593
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:17,980
message through that hey wait a minute

594
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:20,410
you know there's something serious here

595
00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:25,090
that needs to be studied and so just to

596
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:26,920
jump in here Dave there was another

597
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:29,470
conference that you attended I got to do

598
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:32,800
a bit of a panel with Kevin day and some

599
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:33,910
of the other witnesses that you've

600
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:36,400
rounded up regarding the Nimitz case the

601
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Megacon so want to tell us a little bit

602
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:42,850
about that yeah thanks in rich I really

603
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:44,620
really enjoyed reading the paper that

604
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:47,710
you guys did appreciate that I learned a

605
00:31:53,790 --> 00:31:50,410
lot from it as well we were invited to

606
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:53,800
go out to Lachlan Nevada last month and

607
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,770
present and some of the guys that I've

608
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,200
been working with from the US Navy the

609
00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:01,360
veterans like as you mentioned Kevin day

610
00:32:07,139 --> 00:32:05,140
Gary Voorhees and Jason Turner and a new

611
00:32:09,419 --> 00:32:07,149
guy that came forward

612
00:32:13,139 --> 00:32:09,429
really as a result of the little movie

613
00:32:14,489 --> 00:32:13,149
that I did name Patrick Hughes so we all

614
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:14,499
went out there and this is sort of the

615
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:18,369
first time that those four guys have all

616
00:32:22,979 --> 00:32:20,409
been together and it was a really

617
00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:22,989
wonderful experience not only to have

618
00:32:28,229 --> 00:32:26,499
them feel vindicated that you know we do

619
00:32:30,629 --> 00:32:28,239
take them seriously and listen to what

620
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:30,639
they're saying and want to know you know

621
00:32:35,549 --> 00:32:33,369
their stories but to have those guys get

622
00:32:37,889 --> 00:32:35,559
together I mean they hadn't seen each

623
00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:37,899
other in 13 or 14 years was just a

624
00:32:44,459 --> 00:32:41,080
wonderful experience and to go onstage

625
00:32:46,169 --> 00:32:44,469
with them and to hear the audience

626
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:46,179
questions very intelligent questions

627
00:32:53,009 --> 00:32:49,830
have Kevin and Gary express you know

628
00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:53,019
basically the aw that they felt during

629
00:32:59,119 --> 00:32:56,950
those days when these unknown objects

630
00:33:02,430 --> 00:32:59,129
appeared on their radar screens and

631
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:02,440
hearing the pilots who are intercepting

632
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:04,809
them screaming over the microphones you

633
00:33:12,719 --> 00:33:08,409
know and so on so hearing the firsthand

634
00:33:15,959 --> 00:33:12,729
testimony like that live is just me

635
00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:15,969
managed to say reading it and I was able

636
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:17,589
to because I had them all in one spot I

637
00:33:21,539 --> 00:33:19,450
was able to bring my cameras out there

638
00:33:24,659 --> 00:33:21,549
there have like you know two or three

639
00:33:27,389 --> 00:33:24,669
hours of content now of each one of

640
00:33:29,249 --> 00:33:27,399
those guys giving me testimonies so look

641
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,259
for that coming up you're gonna run that

642
00:33:34,409 --> 00:33:32,320
over on your YouTube channel yeah I mean

643
00:33:36,899 --> 00:33:34,419
I plan like I just figured that this

644
00:33:39,469 --> 00:33:36,909
film doesn't have to really be done sort

645
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:39,479
of like it can just be an evolving piece

646
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:41,830
this the things change and new

647
00:33:46,229 --> 00:33:44,049
information comes about so actually

648
00:33:49,859 --> 00:33:46,239
adding all the testimonies going to

649
00:33:52,499 --> 00:33:49,869
really strengthen it I think yeah Dave I

650
00:33:53,849 --> 00:33:52,509
wanted to jump in here and say I know

651
00:33:56,129 --> 00:33:53,859
you've been really busy this year you

652
00:33:59,519 --> 00:33:56,139
know as you're talking about UFO Megacon

653
00:34:01,919 --> 00:33:59,529
as a speaker to doing an article 2 for

654
00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:01,929
UFO truth magazine and you're also going

655
00:34:05,129 --> 00:34:03,460
to be on midnight and does it desert

656
00:34:08,339 --> 00:34:05,139
with Dave Schrader or tell us a little

657
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,349
bit about that please yeah sure

658
00:34:12,329 --> 00:34:10,240
I think you know just because some of

659
00:34:15,299 --> 00:34:12,339
this stuff has been coming out that you

660
00:34:17,309 --> 00:34:15,309
know the the film now has like 1.5

661
00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:17,319
million views and a lot of people are

662
00:34:20,819 --> 00:34:19,419
interested in it and that's organic you

663
00:34:22,229 --> 00:34:20,829
know I again I don't have

664
00:34:24,509 --> 00:34:22,239
History Channel behind me to promote

665
00:34:27,539 --> 00:34:24,519
this stuff or any staff or anything so

666
00:34:29,809 --> 00:34:27,549
I'm just you know a guy basically but

667
00:34:31,979 --> 00:34:29,819
people are interested in the story and

668
00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:31,989
you know I think they heard about it so

669
00:34:37,169 --> 00:34:34,359
I've gotten several calls and I did get

670
00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:37,179
called from the producers of midnight in

671
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:40,119
the desert and I'm gonna you know Kevin

672
00:34:45,419 --> 00:34:41,679
and Gary are gonna be on there so tune

673
00:34:48,229 --> 00:34:45,429
into that it's going to be the 26th of

674
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:48,239
this month and I think that ones at like

675
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,190
9:00 to midnight on Pacific time yeah so

676
00:34:58,289 --> 00:34:55,839
that should be a really really

677
00:35:02,999 --> 00:34:58,299
interesting conversation as well oh good

678
00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:03,009
um I want I wanted to also ask you there

679
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,779
was a show eyes on with you with Frank

680
00:35:07,709 --> 00:35:06,400
where you said that you and you may have

681
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:07,719
already covered this but I still had a

682
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:09,670
question I was on a show with you last

683
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:11,529
year with Frank when you were saying

684
00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:13,569
that you had new witnesses that had come

685
00:35:17,789 --> 00:35:15,940
forward can you just tell our listeners

686
00:35:19,709 --> 00:35:17,799
you know you say that this is an ever

687
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:19,719
evolving documentary that you're adding

688
00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:22,930
to it you probably look forever well who

689
00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:24,369
are those new witnesses and what was

690
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:27,640
that information about sure sure yeah

691
00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:30,209
and again in my film I asked for

692
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:33,400
military witnesses that observed

693
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:37,180
unidentified craft to email you know

694
00:35:40,709 --> 00:35:39,190
that I can put them in touch with other

695
00:35:42,569 --> 00:35:40,719
witnesses and so on which I've been

696
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:42,579
doing really it's not just for me my

697
00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:44,529
benefit on anything like that but you

698
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:46,390
know if they want me to tell their story

699
00:35:53,130 --> 00:35:50,130
I will do so so Patrick Hughes was

700
00:35:56,549 --> 00:35:53,140
working for the e to Hawkeye squadron on

701
00:35:59,370 --> 00:35:56,559
Nimitz at the time and he had a buddy

702
00:36:01,819 --> 00:35:59,380
that was an in-flight technician so he

703
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:01,829
actually flew in the back of the Hawkeye

704
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:04,690
aircraft that day when commander flavor

705
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:06,729
and sweet and these guys were up there

706
00:36:13,979 --> 00:36:11,049
and that gentleman saw the tic-tac so he

707
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:13,989
does not want his name use he had to

708
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:16,690
sign an NDA after the event was told not

709
00:36:21,689 --> 00:36:18,430
to talk about it that the event did not

710
00:36:23,189 --> 00:36:21,699
happen but he did kind of tell me what

711
00:36:26,279 --> 00:36:23,199
he saw he said I can tell you I saw the

712
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:26,289
tic-tac the entire crew saw the tic-tac

713
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:29,380
when we landed our Co brought us down

714
00:36:33,989 --> 00:36:32,410
and you know told us you know don't talk

715
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:33,999
about this and actually made them sign

716
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:34,750
NDA's right

717
00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:39,070
spot why other aircrew were allowed to

718
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,420
talk about it the only thing that I can

719
00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:42,480
suspect based on what Patrick told me

720
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:46,600
was that they were involved with this

721
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,210
technology called CEC or cooperative

722
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:50,800
engagement capability which is a

723
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:54,910
classified system we know it exists but

724
00:36:59,370 --> 00:36:57,250
what its capabilities are what they

725
00:37:01,920 --> 00:36:59,380
actually saw on this stuff it could have

726
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:01,930
been related to that Patrick the guy on

727
00:37:08,370 --> 00:37:04,630
the ground said that after the plane

728
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:08,380
landed Air Force officials came and

729
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:12,160
confiscated the flight recorders that he

730
00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:15,010
had removed from the Hawkeye so all of

731
00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:17,260
that information came out as a result of

732
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:19,000
the film and people contacting me

733
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:21,910
another gentleman that just came out you

734
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:24,940
know within the last month named Omar

735
00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:28,060
Lara was a fuelling guy up on the flight

736
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:30,670
deck of the Nimitz and he said that in a

737
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:33,310
week or so after the event after the

738
00:37:39,570 --> 00:37:36,520
training was sort of over a man

739
00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:39,580
overboard happened work I accidentally

740
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:42,040
fell in the water it kind of after the

741
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:43,840
Sun went down and so they're trying to

742
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:46,210
rescue this guy and they're all looking

743
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,650
over and they see the strobe light in

744
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:49,680
the water they're trying to launch a

745
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:53,830
small boat to go get him you know they

746
00:37:59,610 --> 00:37:56,470
do have search and rescue all there all

747
00:38:03,150 --> 00:37:59,620
of a sudden this light drops out of the

748
00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:03,160
sky and kind of hovers on the horizon he

749
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:05,590
wasn't sure how far away and 30 to 50

750
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:07,570
people saw this thing like do a right

751
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:11,410
angle turn go from like 5 o'clock to 7

752
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:13,990
o'clock position across the fantail the

753
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:15,910
carrier and then shoot straight back up

754
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:19,180
into the sky why and of course I mean

755
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:21,490
that's just an anecdotal story but he

756
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:24,310
was there and we're currently trying to

757
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:29,230
FOIA the Nimitz deck logs post tick-tack

758
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:31,450
to see if you know just to find out what

759
00:38:35,070 --> 00:38:33,550
day that was in you know I'm pretty sure

760
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:35,080
a Man Overboard would be listed in her

761
00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:37,120
deck logs so I'm trying to find that out

762
00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:40,900
can you keep doing all of us a favor and

763
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:43,840
give us all of the websites we need to

764
00:38:48,549 --> 00:38:45,370
know about in order to find out more

765
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:48,559
about that wonderful 1.5 million viewed

766
00:38:53,729 --> 00:38:50,930
u.s. limits encounter movie you did

767
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:53,739
including any other research and work

768
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:56,569
yeah if you go to the Nimitz Encounters

769
00:39:03,609 --> 00:38:59,920
calm it's all there I have a link to the

770
00:39:05,709 --> 00:39:03,619
movie and a lot of the research

771
00:39:08,109 --> 00:39:05,719
documents that I was using I had done

772
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,119
OCR optical character recognition on

773
00:39:15,099 --> 00:39:11,359
some of the scans so a lot of the TTS a

774
00:39:17,739 --> 00:39:15,109
documents the documents that George

775
00:39:20,499 --> 00:39:17,749
Knapp had and released the executive

776
00:39:23,049 --> 00:39:20,509
summary all of that has been done into

777
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:23,059
OCR which you can download as a PDF so

778
00:39:26,469 --> 00:39:24,650
you so now like if you're trying to

779
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:26,479
search you know you're looking for a

780
00:39:33,279 --> 00:39:29,599
keyword you can just do a search in that

781
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:33,289
executive summary report and then the

782
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,440
Facebook page the Nimitz Encounters has

783
00:39:42,099 --> 00:39:39,200
all these videos I'm talking about

784
00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:42,109
thank you for I'm sorry you to YouTube

785
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,940
page sorry oh the YouTube page oh thank

786
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:45,440
you for making that clear I appreciate

787
00:39:49,449 --> 00:39:47,690
that day Frank if you don't mind we just

788
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,459
have to touch on one thing again and uh

789
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:52,160
that was rich rich thank you for having

790
00:39:58,299 --> 00:39:54,670
gone through such an incredible analysis

791
00:40:00,999 --> 00:39:58,309
and I wanted to hear more but regarding

792
00:40:03,819 --> 00:40:01,009
guinea scu 2004 us estimates incident

793
00:40:05,769 --> 00:40:03,829
report and that your organization did

794
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:05,779
wanted to let our listeners know the

795
00:40:10,479 --> 00:40:08,089
name of that report please let me know

796
00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:10,489
if this is correct a forensic analysis

797
00:40:13,989 --> 00:40:12,440
of Navy Carrier Strike Group Elevens

798
00:40:17,439 --> 00:40:13,999
encounter with an anomalous aerial

799
00:40:20,769 --> 00:40:17,449
vehicle and that is a two hundred

800
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:20,779
seventy page PDF that can be found on

801
00:40:28,930 --> 00:40:24,049
the SE use website and so how you find

802
00:40:31,089 --> 00:40:28,940
that is you would go to explore SC u org

803
00:40:33,609 --> 00:40:31,099
is that correct rich and they can go

804
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:33,619
from there yeah absolutely and you'll

805
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:35,930
have the Aguadilla paper and various

806
00:40:39,939 --> 00:40:37,430
other papers we're starting to put up

807
00:40:42,969 --> 00:40:39,949
there as well so yeah I actually asked

808
00:40:45,759 --> 00:40:42,979
our panel members to go over that report

809
00:40:47,319 --> 00:40:45,769
Earl you had a chance to gloss over it

810
00:40:51,729 --> 00:40:47,329
did you what did you think of that

811
00:40:52,989 --> 00:40:51,739
reports pretty wild isn't it I don't

812
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:52,999
know a real stepped away

813
00:40:59,069 --> 00:40:56,630
I don't ya what's it this is not I gotta

814
00:41:02,440 --> 00:40:59,079
say one thing that

815
00:41:05,140 --> 00:41:02,450
testimony by Gary Voorhees the YouTube

816
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:05,150
testimony that was included on the page

817
00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:09,410
before I read the report I almost blew

818
00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:12,440
coffee out my nose wait when they said

819
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:16,190
that the official conclusion was

820
00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:19,730
spontaneous ice

821
00:41:26,529 --> 00:41:23,150
I think dr. J Allen Hynek has now been

822
00:41:28,839 --> 00:41:26,539
forgiven for the swamp gas comment and

823
00:41:32,769 --> 00:41:28,849
we can replace the most notorious

824
00:41:37,809 --> 00:41:32,779
comment in history with spontaneous ice

825
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:37,819
now because that's just ludicrous at

826
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:41,690
best now the report as I looked over it

827
00:41:47,289 --> 00:41:43,849
very good job rich I don't know if

828
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,299
you're still there highly detailed the

829
00:41:53,289 --> 00:41:50,000
information contained with it again is

830
00:41:56,289 --> 00:41:53,299
exemplary as was the the report on the

831
00:41:59,650 --> 00:41:56,299
incident in Puerto Rico so good job

832
00:42:02,410 --> 00:41:59,660
there I enjoyed looking at it that's a

833
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:02,420
lot of data of course did not consume

834
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:05,210
every bit of the data yet I'm still kind

835
00:42:09,849 --> 00:42:08,089
of digesting it but it's one of those

836
00:42:12,099 --> 00:42:09,859
reports that you know I'm gonna be

837
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:12,109
delving in and know every bit of it by

838
00:42:17,470 --> 00:42:14,089
the time I'm done with it because it has

839
00:42:19,930 --> 00:42:17,480
a very good data in it okay yeah and

840
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:19,940
Earl I had actually I'm so sorry I had

841
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:21,950
meant to ask you a question about that

842
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:24,410
USS Nimitz report that the scientific

843
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:28,609
regulation of UFO AG had put out it was

844
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:32,390
a 270 page forensic analysis of the Navy

845
00:42:39,279 --> 00:42:34,520
carrier USS Nimitz did you get a chance

846
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:39,289
to gloss over that Earl I rose up the

847
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:42,230
way oh I see he said he's back right

848
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:42,650
there

849
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:44,930
I'm back all right I had to turn my

850
00:42:49,870 --> 00:42:47,960
microphone pack I actually read the

851
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:49,880
whole thing and wonderful work there

852
00:42:58,359 --> 00:42:52,569
rich you know I mean we have so much

853
00:43:02,740 --> 00:42:58,369
respect for Rich's work and it was just

854
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:02,750
a wonderful paper and I thought that it

855
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:07,250
was very very it just really kind of

856
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:11,089
attacked this this incident from kind of

857
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:12,380
every side

858
00:43:17,259 --> 00:43:13,970
and I thought it was just very

859
00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:17,269
all-encompassing and really Lia that you

860
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:20,420
guys did really wonderful work on it the

861
00:43:27,339 --> 00:43:23,720
most impressive thing to me was well

862
00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:27,349
I'll just quote you know let's see I

863
00:43:32,019 --> 00:43:30,140
think it was maybe one of the pilots

864
00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:32,029
said it was there then it rifled off out

865
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:33,829
of sight in the split second it was as

866
00:43:38,289 --> 00:43:35,900
if the object was shot out of a rifle

867
00:43:40,299 --> 00:43:38,299
there is no gradual acceleration or

868
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:40,309
spooling up period it just shot out of

869
00:43:44,799 --> 00:43:41,990
sight immediately I've never seen

870
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:44,809
anything like it before or since and no

871
00:43:50,579 --> 00:43:46,490
human could have withstood that kind of

872
00:43:53,529 --> 00:43:50,589
acceleration these objects were breaking

873
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:53,539
Newton's laws of thermodynamics for

874
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:57,380
God's sake and and you know we're seeing

875
00:44:01,930 --> 00:44:00,319
them you know with with no just

876
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:01,940
immediate acceleration and no

877
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,529
deceleration doing 160 degree turns and

878
00:44:11,230 --> 00:44:08,680
and and these these objects were large

879
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:11,240
we're talking about the size of a school

880
00:44:17,859 --> 00:44:15,230
bus as far as the the little tic-tac

881
00:44:21,759 --> 00:44:17,869
videos the one that was underwater who

882
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:21,769
knows how big that was but you know I

883
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:24,470
mean you don't build a drone that size I

884
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:25,609
mean obviously if you're building

885
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:27,380
something the size of a bus there's

886
00:44:33,249 --> 00:44:30,890
probably a crew it was just very very

887
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:33,259
impressive and I think that we learned a

888
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:36,200
lot through the scu investigation into

889
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:38,690
this that's kind of thing we need you

890
00:44:43,809 --> 00:44:41,690
know and Earl Earl just so you know Jeff

891
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:43,819
actually chimed in and he was able to

892
00:44:50,349 --> 00:44:46,490
give his viewpoint saying he was

893
00:44:52,359 --> 00:44:50,359
impressed about the the report to the

894
00:44:55,210 --> 00:44:52,369
report is extremely comprehensive I

895
00:44:58,569 --> 00:44:55,220
wanted to ask our panel about the Nellis

896
00:44:59,950 --> 00:44:58,579
the leaked Nellis UFO video rich can I

897
00:45:03,370 --> 00:44:59,960
start off with you on that

898
00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:03,380
well now what we want to do is we want

899
00:45:08,589 --> 00:45:05,750
to start off and talk about the Julian

900
00:45:10,539 --> 00:45:08,599
Assange arrest oh yeah I can do that

901
00:45:12,339 --> 00:45:10,549
that is no problem thank you very much

902
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:12,349
for having brought that up just one

903
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,880
moment let me bring it does that happen

904
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:15,680
within the last week that was a bit of

905
00:45:23,710 --> 00:45:20,410
news and of course Sonya has had some

906
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:23,720
UFO connections over the years so I yeah

907
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:25,210
yeah

908
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:26,950
absolutely thank you very much having

909
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:29,650
brought that up Frank now talk about

910
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:31,660
current events we have a current event

911
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:33,400
here that just happened that is really

912
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:36,609
expounder hooli and Julian Assange was

913
00:45:40,589 --> 00:45:38,740
charged with very sparse charges one

914
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:40,599
being a computer hacking conspiracy by

915
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:42,250
the US Justice Department and another

916
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:44,290
found guilty of skipping bail by a

917
00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:46,390
London Court Assange was carried out by

918
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:48,760
British authorities recently from the

919
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:51,880
Ecuadorian Embassy after seeking refuge

920
00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:54,490
there seven years ago up in the air now

921
00:45:59,309 --> 00:45:56,440
is whether his arrest will now open a

922
00:46:01,890 --> 00:45:59,319
door to possible extraction to the u.s.

923
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:01,900
to face one count of conspiracy related

924
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:04,630
to the leaking of 740,000 classified

925
00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:07,900
military documents in 2010 handed over

926
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:09,700
to him by military whistleblower at

927
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:12,089
Chelsea Manning according to the US

928
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:14,470
Department the material Manning gave

929
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:19,569
WikiLeaks founder Assange were 90,000

930
00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:23,680
reports from the Afghanistan war 400,000

931
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:27,460
reports from the Iraq war 250,000 US

932
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:30,010
State Department cables which led up to

933
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,540
the prosecution and conviction of

934
00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:33,599
Chelsea Manning who was sentenced up to

935
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:35,380
35 years in prison

936
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:38,530
the question is Assange next Assange

937
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:41,730
blunt to the Ecuadorian Embassy in 2012

938
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:43,930
when he was being charged with rape

939
00:46:49,319 --> 00:46:47,230
charges in Sweden Asajj denies these the

940
00:46:52,799 --> 00:46:49,329
allegations the Ecuadorian government

941
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:52,809
has since withdrawn Assange is Asylum

942
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:55,569
status due to Assange his aggressive

943
00:47:00,270 --> 00:46:57,490
behavior finally a violation and

944
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:00,280
disregard of their protocols at stake is

945
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:03,490
Assange considers himself a journalist

946
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:06,220
moving forward sure Assange has been

947
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:08,530
under investigation going back to 2010

948
00:47:14,339 --> 00:47:11,170
more recently however the part he played

949
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:14,349
in the 2016 US presidential elections

950
00:47:19,049 --> 00:47:17,290
ended with his investigation he is being

951
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:19,059
investigated on leaking classified

952
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:21,910
material espionage and collusion with

953
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:24,190
Russia just prior to the election

954
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,260
WikiLeaks released thousands of stolen

955
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:28,720
emails from Democratic National

956
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:31,420
Committee Hillary Clinton and Hillary

957
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:33,670
Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta

958
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:35,970
it was concluded by US intelligence

959
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:38,210
those stolen emails were

960
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:39,740
hacked by the Russian government and

961
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:44,180
were allegedly handed over to them by

962
00:47:48,849 --> 00:47:46,250
Assange for his WikiLeaks dumping of

963
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:48,859
data right after that information was

964
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:50,930
made public Trump praised WikiLeaks

965
00:47:56,109 --> 00:47:53,750
multiple times however present Trump

966
00:48:00,099 --> 00:47:56,119
said this week he knows nothing and is

967
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:00,109
and it's not his thing about WikiLeaks

968
00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:02,330
according to a close friend of Assange

969
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:05,000
who not only visited him just prior to

970
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,010
his being taken out of the Ecuadorian

971
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:09,200
Embassy but was responsible for having

972
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:11,570
made part of the Sandra's bail the US

973
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:14,960
government provided 4.2 billion dollar

974
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:17,570
loan to the Ecuadorian government right

975
00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:19,660
before Assange's arrest

976
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:22,550
lastly Assange is facing one computer

977
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,400
intrusion conspiracy charge essentially

978
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:27,280
saying he's being charged with helping

979
00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:28,910
Chelsea McCord

980
00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:30,740
so she could then login as an

981
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:34,040
administrator or logon

982
00:48:38,770 --> 00:48:36,230
it's a different user to get clever

983
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:38,780
about pushing classified material I have

984
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:40,700
a few questions which I will direct you

985
00:48:46,060 --> 00:48:44,030
our paranormal lawyer Michael W Hall

986
00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:46,070
okay before we get into that I want to

987
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,280
go into a little bit more detail about

988
00:48:53,859 --> 00:48:51,440
Assange is connection with UFOs

989
00:48:57,569 --> 00:48:53,869
of course chant you mentioned the in

990
00:48:59,770 --> 00:48:57,579
modesto emails and of course Podesta's

991
00:49:04,240 --> 00:48:59,780
expressed a lot of interest over the

992
00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:04,250
years in UFOs and as part of that week

993
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:06,440
the hack leaked whatever you want to

994
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:09,170
call it as part of all that some

995
00:49:15,010 --> 00:49:11,450
information that regarding at top the

996
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:15,020
long contact with with Podesta came out

997
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,970
also Edgar Mitchell he was still alive

998
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:19,520
at that point that material came out

999
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:22,609
that was rather interesting and gave

1000
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,470
everybody a heads up that the law was

1001
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:26,000
taking this may be a little bit more

1002
00:49:30,099 --> 00:49:28,250
seriously than some people thought at

1003
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:30,109
the time and of course very

1004
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:34,790
interestingly on December 19th of 2017

1005
00:49:40,329 --> 00:49:36,950
right after the New York Times article

1006
00:49:43,089 --> 00:49:40,339
came out about the a tip program all SAP

1007
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:43,099
program whatever we want to call it

1008
00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:45,950
Assange tweeted the New York Times fake

1009
00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:47,540
news apocalypse has reached perfection

1010
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:50,270
with a front-page story claiming UFOs

1011
00:49:56,109 --> 00:49:53,140
exist no surprise to see CIA

1012
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:56,119
parapsychology Scientology frauds like

1013
00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:58,490
Harold E put off involved and the most

1014
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:01,430
basic journalistic questions unasked of

1015
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:04,880
course that screed there sounded a

1016
00:50:12,190 --> 00:50:07,310
little bit like what ron Pandolfi was

1017
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,200
saying regarding tts a leading up to

1018
00:50:17,859 --> 00:50:15,440
that point it is rather curious great

1019
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:17,869
camera and suggested that actually yep

1020
00:50:23,319 --> 00:50:20,720
in buffy got Assange to tweet that out

1021
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,329
because what in for what why would

1022
00:50:27,849 --> 00:50:25,040
Julian Assange really care about this

1023
00:50:30,099 --> 00:50:27,859
but apparently according to grant that's

1024
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,109
exactly what happened and let's go to

1025
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,960
those questions for Michael hall ok

1026
00:50:37,089 --> 00:50:34,640
thank you that's fascinating by the way

1027
00:50:39,819 --> 00:50:37,099
I had no idea that information how I

1028
00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:39,829
just I'm astounded right now thank you

1029
00:50:42,609 --> 00:50:40,700
Frank

1030
00:50:45,069 --> 00:50:42,619
I have a few questions which I did want

1031
00:50:48,930 --> 00:50:45,079
to direct to as we're saying paranormal

1032
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:48,940
lawyer Michael W Hall Michael

1033
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:51,550
yes chant I'm here

1034
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:03,980
go ahead and address and that is one is

1035
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:09,089
Assange address two does the media have

1036
00:51:12,529 --> 00:51:10,650
anything to worry about regarding

1037
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:12,539
publishing classified material

1038
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:14,700
I've heard some complaints regarding

1039
00:51:17,989 --> 00:51:16,740
worries that they have on Assange's

1040
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:17,999
arrest on the right and the left

1041
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:21,210
regarding this question and lastly is

1042
00:51:30,019 --> 00:51:25,710
Assange a monster or hero so the first

1043
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:30,029
one is Assange a journalist Michael yeah

1044
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,390
well you know the Constitution in the

1045
00:51:39,259 --> 00:51:35,819
United States you know the free speech

1046
00:51:42,579 --> 00:51:39,269
Clause regarding free speech for the

1047
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:42,589
public and the press has always been

1048
00:51:50,299 --> 00:51:48,450
very liberally you know construed by all

1049
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:50,309
the courts matter of fact you know I

1050
00:51:55,220 --> 00:51:52,740
think as I mentioned in my little memo

1051
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:55,230
to you earlier that Professor Alan

1052
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:58,410
Dershowitz you know from Harvard Law has

1053
00:52:01,940 --> 00:51:59,940
mentioned that there is no

1054
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:01,950
constitutional difference between

1055
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:04,980
WikiLeaks and then New York Times so

1056
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:07,470
when you're talking about a journalist

1057
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:09,089
you're talking about pretty much anyone

1058
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:11,609
who is disseminating you know

1059
00:52:15,499 --> 00:52:13,470
journalistic information and so I think

1060
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:15,509
you would definitely qualify for that as

1061
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:18,839
well as WikiLeaks would the next

1062
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:22,319
question is of course can can journalism

1063
00:52:29,749 --> 00:52:26,130
be prosecuted for you know publishing

1064
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:29,759
classified materials now that is more of

1065
00:52:39,769 --> 00:52:34,710
a gray area but the the recent would not

1066
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:39,779
recent but 1971 Pentagon Papers New York

1067
00:52:48,859 --> 00:52:43,430
Times case was quite a slap in the face

1068
00:52:52,190 --> 00:52:48,869
for those homeland security issues and

1069
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:52,200
classified document issues when Daniel

1070
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,380
Ellsberg stole the documents they were

1071
00:53:02,029 --> 00:52:57,720
eventually published by the New York

1072
00:53:03,259 --> 00:53:02,039
Times and the real thing was is you know

1073
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:03,269
whether was going to be a prior

1074
00:53:08,829 --> 00:53:05,730
restraint that they could not publish

1075
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:08,839
them or whether they're going to be

1076
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:12,210
prosecuted after they did publish them

1077
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,319
and in reality they were not prosecuted

1078
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:18,240
at all even after the publication of

1079
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,420
those documents so when you've tried to

1080
00:53:27,010 --> 00:53:24,720
you know affront the free speech Clause

1081
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:27,020
of the Constitution of the United States

1082
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:29,250
directly head-on you're going to run

1083
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:31,980
into a problem and I think that's what

1084
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,740
the federal prosecutors are are thinking

1085
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:36,599
at this point when they do this Assange

1086
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,720
thing obviously that's why they've kind

1087
00:53:44,890 --> 00:53:42,480
of tweaked their complaint in this

1088
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:44,900
regard and gone towards more of a

1089
00:53:52,099 --> 00:53:49,250
conspiracy charge against a son

1090
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,109
conspiring with Chelsea Manning to

1091
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,720
actually break in and steal these

1092
00:53:59,359 --> 00:53:56,819
documents so it's not necessarily the

1093
00:54:01,089 --> 00:53:59,369
publication that they're going after at

1094
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,099
this point they're going after the

1095
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:04,020
conspiracy issues that would lead up to

1096
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:06,300
this kind of information being obtained

1097
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:08,730
now that's kind of a key point that you

1098
00:54:14,299 --> 00:54:11,609
made there Michael it's not so much the

1099
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,309
publication of the material but the

1100
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:17,040
person who either does the leaking of

1101
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:19,079
classified material or someone who aids

1102
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:20,760
and abets them apparently yeah that's

1103
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:23,700
the claim anyway from the US government

1104
00:54:31,789 --> 00:54:27,500
those are the people who are at risk

1105
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:31,799
yeah exactly and you know it's just

1106
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:34,559
being more and more narrowly construed

1107
00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:38,250
now all of these broad brush issues of

1108
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:40,829
what is national security you know what

1109
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:44,490
is classified material those things are

1110
00:54:50,059 --> 00:54:47,190
very ill-defined when you come down to

1111
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:50,069
it so it leaves a broad brush for people

1112
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,460
to be caught up and the whole issue of

1113
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:55,260
disseminating or even possessing that

1114
00:55:02,720 --> 00:54:57,930
kind of material but of course you know

1115
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:02,730
back in the 1971 Wild West word worth

1116
00:55:08,059 --> 00:55:05,130
and Bernstein era you know that was

1117
00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:08,069
something that was quite important the

1118
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:11,670
protection of the the press and the

1119
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:13,619
freedoms that we all have under the

1120
00:55:18,289 --> 00:55:16,470
Constitution nowadays I tell you what

1121
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:18,299
they're finding some [\h__\h] holes in

1122
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:21,540
those defenses and they're trying to go

1123
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:24,390
after every kind of possible way they

1124
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:25,800
can control

1125
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:27,810
these kinds of potential leaks in the

1126
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:31,200
future I think my my current question is

1127
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:32,940
why the heck are they going after

1128
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:36,570
Assange now after all these years you

1129
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:38,790
know they're to me I always try to take

1130
00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:41,490
a large picture point of view of what's

1131
00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:44,430
going on here behind the scenes and I'm

1132
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:47,300
hoping it's not going to be a red flag

1133
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:49,320
you know a thing to try to keep

1134
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:50,550
everybody's attention away from

1135
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:51,510
something else

1136
00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:53,640
that's going on right now wellis

1137
00:55:59,060 --> 00:55:56,790
launches friend and just recently the

1138
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:59,070
gentleman who actually helped to post

1139
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:00,300
his bail

1140
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:02,910
but I think is $20000 he put board and

1141
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:05,640
the judge reduced it to 12 grand when I

1142
00:56:13,310 --> 00:56:09,560
saw and just kept out skipped the bail

1143
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:13,320
he was saying that the day before or

1144
00:56:22,310 --> 00:56:17,660
very recent to the arrest of Assange the

1145
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:22,320
US government gave Ecuador 4.2 billion

1146
00:56:27,050 --> 00:56:24,570
dollar loan well technically it was the

1147
00:56:30,830 --> 00:56:27,060
IMF the International Monetary Fund but

1148
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:30,840
oh was it yeah and then the other thank

1149
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:31,440
you Frank

1150
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:33,570
the the extra bit of data I wanted to

1151
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,780
share is out of all the rape allegations

1152
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,400
there's one left that will not expire

1153
00:56:43,070 --> 00:56:41,520
expires in 2020 so I I don't know if

1154
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:43,080
they're just trying to hang on anything

1155
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:45,570
they can not not to downplay rape I'm

1156
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:47,430
not doing that I'm just saying that

1157
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:49,710
they're trying to get him on something

1158
00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:52,880
they might trump up more charges later

1159
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,640
but I wanted to read something by a

1160
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,960
person by the name of Jonathan Peters

1161
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:00,000
who specializes on the First Amendment

1162
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,150
and the press he's a he wrote an

1163
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:05,520
interesting article in April 18 2011

1164
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:07,890
regarding this exact thing you can look

1165
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:09,030
it up it's called and letting our

1166
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:11,250
listeners know it's called WikiLeaks the

1167
00:57:15,110 --> 00:57:13,070
First Amendment and the press and

1168
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:15,120
Michael just touched on this I'm just

1169
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:16,380
going to read a paragraph from his

1170
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:19,140
article and that is his conclusion in

1171
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,120
the 40 years since the Pentagon Papers

1172
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:23,520
case the Supreme Court is not once

1173
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:25,710
upheld a content-based restriction on

1174
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:28,710
the publication of truthful information

1175
00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:30,210
about the government that did not

1176
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:32,580
involve some special circumstance such

1177
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:34,920
as public employment perhaps that is

1178
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:36,270
because the purpose of the First

1179
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:38,370
Amendment is protect the free discussion

1180
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,510
of government

1181
00:57:43,310 --> 00:57:42,000
governmental affairs and state action to

1182
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:43,320
punish the publication of truthful

1183
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,480
information seldom can satisfy

1184
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:48,240
constitutional standards or perhaps that

1185
00:57:51,890 --> 00:57:49,770
is because the court has come to

1186
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:51,900
understand the effects of dangerous

1187
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:53,850
speech opt-in are exaggerated in the

1188
00:57:58,580 --> 00:57:55,830
heat of what Alexander Hamilton called

1189
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:58,590
temporary caution or perhaps that is

1190
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:00,750
because in the last 40 years we have

1191
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:03,570
felt relatively safe as Judge Richard

1192
00:58:09,590 --> 00:58:06,510
Posner put it in 2002 when the country

1193
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:09,600
feels very safe the justices can klum

1194
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,670
themselves on their fearless devotion to

1195
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:13,380
freedom of speech and professors can

1196
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:15,330
divide the cowardice a speech

1197
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:17,310
restrictive decisions but they are

1198
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:18,810
likely to change their tune when the

1199
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,380
next country feels endangered did you

1200
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:24,000
have any comments for their comments

1201
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:28,410
about the Assange case Michael well

1202
00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:33,260
again it's just puzzling to me that this

1203
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,150
this issue is being brought up currently

1204
00:58:40,790 --> 00:58:38,400
and all of a sudden very quickly all of

1205
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:40,800
a sudden we find out that he is being

1206
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:42,900
arrested and they're prosecuting you

1207
00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:47,460
know on a very very not detailed

1208
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:49,830
complaint by the way if you've read the

1209
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:52,950
actual charges they're they're kind of

1210
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:54,690
lacking in detail so that's very

1211
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:56,910
interesting and it might be very

1212
00:59:02,080 --> 00:58:59,010
possible that they're coming up through

1213
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:02,090
the statute statute of limitations issue

1214
00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:05,210
that they're dealing with on any kind of

1215
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:07,740
collateral charge that they can add to

1216
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:10,619
them as well regarding these rape

1217
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:13,050
charges or whatever but the main issue

1218
00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:15,330
I've always contended in the background

1219
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,140
is that there is an OL timing of all of

1220
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:21,359
these kinds of things especially when

1221
00:59:26,330 --> 00:59:23,730
they're ongoing like this why they drop

1222
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:26,340
the hammer now so we always have to keep

1223
00:59:36,050 --> 00:59:28,770
that in the back of our mind and realize

1224
00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:36,060
I think we dropped off like III do want

1225
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:38,660
to go through the different types of

1226
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:41,010
documents that that we in the UFO field

1227
00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:43,260
might be dealing with that way there are

1228
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:46,740
leaks there are there have been leaked

1229
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:52,710
videos the initial 2007 nimitz video or

1230
00:59:57,050 --> 00:59:53,310
cv 2

1231
00:59:59,120 --> 00:59:57,060
for that leaked out some time back and

1232
01:00:03,440 --> 00:59:59,130
ended up in the hands of rather

1233
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:03,450
curiously a organization in Germany I

1234
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:07,410
believe that did CGI videos so somehow

1235
01:00:12,860 --> 01:00:10,110
they got their hands on that FLIR video

1236
01:00:16,310 --> 01:00:12,870
long before T PSA ever came down the

1237
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:16,320
pike and of course rich Hoffman you're a

1238
01:00:20,810 --> 01:00:18,390
Guardia video I think it would be safe

1239
01:00:25,150 --> 01:00:20,820
to categorize that as a leaked video

1240
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:25,160
would you agree with that well I agree I

1241
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:28,170
was listening the conversation and in

1242
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:29,730
terms of the the whole thing about

1243
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:33,690
classified documents and let me just say

1244
01:00:40,510 --> 01:00:37,140
this real quick that I my job I work in

1245
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:40,520
IT 6i / security kind of concerns for

1246
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:44,370
the military and I got on my desktop

1247
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:46,200
I've got two computers I've got one

1248
01:00:51,110 --> 01:00:47,850
that's unclassified and the other one is

1249
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:51,120
classified and I have to go into both of

1250
01:00:58,790 --> 01:00:55,530
them on a routine basis the marking of

1251
01:01:01,520 --> 01:00:58,800
things with classifications we get

1252
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:01,530
trained on intensively every year and

1253
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:04,050
the protection of classified materials

1254
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:06,660
and we also see the we get briefings all

1255
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:08,370
the time about you know reminding us

1256
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:10,920
that you know of the danger of having

1257
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:13,380
somebody like Aldrich Ames or various

1258
01:01:17,180 --> 01:01:15,240
other types of people that are inside

1259
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:17,190
that are passing off this classified

1260
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:20,700
material to our foreign enemies and so I

1261
01:01:26,410 --> 01:01:24,180
take it very seriously and and I'm very

1262
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,420
concerned about the fact that you have

1263
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:28,260
internal leaks and we're doing

1264
01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:30,330
everything we can to be able to protect

1265
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:32,580
that data because we don't want it in

1266
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:35,070
the hands of the other governments so I

1267
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:38,490
I look at it like this you know I mean I

1268
01:01:43,070 --> 01:01:41,490
I don't know about the Aldrich I think

1269
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,080
that the point there is whoever leaked

1270
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:45,660
it deserves the same thing that an

1271
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:48,180
Aldrich Ames has because they've damaged

1272
01:01:56,330 --> 01:01:53,700
our our our interest the so coming back

1273
01:01:59,660 --> 01:01:56,340
to your point in the context of the

1274
01:02:01,460 --> 01:01:59,670
Aguadilla case you know and this

1275
01:02:03,830 --> 01:02:01,470
probably is the same kind of thing that

1276
01:02:06,420 --> 01:02:03,840
maybe happened with the Nimitz as well I

1277
01:02:08,490 --> 01:02:06,430
think that you know so

1278
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:08,500
pilots after they had this experience

1279
01:02:14,490 --> 01:02:12,280
about have now got this they've got this

1280
01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:14,500
probably put on something like a thumb

1281
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:16,390
drive or something of that nature and

1282
01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:17,770
they're saying well what do we do with

1283
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,190
this incredible thing that we saw and

1284
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:22,720
they're questioning it and they probably

1285
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:25,210
began passing it around and the next

1286
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:28,569
thing you know is it it ends up being

1287
01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:31,890
you know passed around outside of that

1288
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:34,750
it was we were told that it went up

1289
01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:36,730
through the chain of their leadership to

1290
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:39,550
say well what do we do with it and they

1291
01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:41,770
never got a good response with it they

1292
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:43,540
attempted to go through

1293
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:45,880
I think Air Force intelligence and they

1294
01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:46,990
didn't you know while we don't do

1295
01:02:50,849 --> 01:02:48,700
investigate these things anymore and uh

1296
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:50,859
so nobody wanted to do anything with it

1297
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:52,450
they said they said okay well let me

1298
01:02:56,609 --> 01:02:54,490
pass this off to somebody there they

1299
01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:56,619
might treat it scientifically or and see

1300
01:03:00,540 --> 01:02:58,089
if they can help us figure it out and

1301
01:03:02,910 --> 01:03:00,550
that's what one pilot it was a friend of

1302
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:02,920
the other pilot did and so that's how we

1303
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:05,530
got it so and we had to signed a

1304
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:07,359
nondisclosure agreement saying that we

1305
01:03:12,450 --> 01:03:09,670
wouldn't talk about it either until we

1306
01:03:17,099 --> 01:03:12,460
release the our publication and it's off

1307
01:03:19,319 --> 01:03:17,109
like that so they do leak you know I

1308
01:03:21,299 --> 01:03:19,329
joke 'only always point out the fact

1309
01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:21,309
that if somebody hacked into my computer

1310
01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:24,220
my government computer at work they

1311
01:03:35,069 --> 01:03:27,220
would suddenly declare that the Army is

1312
01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:35,079
now investigating UFOs all the time you

1313
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:37,240
know I'd say well so gary mckinnon

1314
01:03:42,299 --> 01:03:39,790
breaks it and gets into my computer and

1315
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:42,309
suddenly the army is now heavily into

1316
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:44,170
UFOs and man you should see the stuff

1317
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:48,190
that i got and uh and so you know and

1318
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:50,680
government people are humans too they

1319
01:03:56,190 --> 01:03:52,450
they have all kinds of stuff on their

1320
01:03:57,839 --> 01:03:56,200
computer or I mean so yeah III have fun

1321
01:04:00,210 --> 01:03:57,849
with that the fact that you probably go

1322
01:04:01,950 --> 01:04:00,220
up on their hard drive and find out I

1323
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:01,960
also want to point out to you fact that

1324
01:04:06,750 --> 01:04:04,690
this notion or that's believing that a

1325
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:06,760
FOIA request is going to get to my hard

1326
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:10,530
drive it's is absolutely inaccurate and

1327
01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:14,770
so I'll point that out to you so FOIA

1328
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:17,950
does is not anything that it's going to

1329
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:19,930
be even getting to my

1330
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:22,480
my desktop so I just want to share that

1331
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:24,130
with you that was my perspective on it

1332
01:04:30,059 --> 01:04:26,890
that I think it was I think it was

1333
01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:30,069
leaked if you would but only after they

1334
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:33,400
got you know nobody was interested you

1335
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:36,609
know and nobody nobody said that they

1336
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:38,470
couldn't you know and so there you go

1337
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,910
I had a question or a comment to is I

1338
01:04:46,859 --> 01:04:44,799
mean I think that this is a roll by the

1339
01:04:48,450 --> 01:04:46,869
way I think that there's a difference

1340
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:48,460
between though I mean I don't think any

1341
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:51,970
of us want information going out there

1342
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:54,130
that can harm our national security

1343
01:04:59,130 --> 01:04:57,010
that's an athame and something that you

1344
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,140
know anybody that's got a patriotic art

1345
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:01,599
we don't want anything of that sort but

1346
01:05:06,990 --> 01:05:04,569
I think that with with you know the AG

1347
01:05:09,299 --> 01:05:07,000
would say a video that you saw it was

1348
01:05:12,329 --> 01:05:09,309
mostly the pilots were as you were to

1349
01:05:15,299 --> 01:05:12,339
say none satisfied with the swamp gas

1350
01:05:16,859 --> 01:05:15,309
kind of reaction or non reaction that

1351
01:05:20,910 --> 01:05:16,869
they got from something extraordinary

1352
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:20,920
that they saw and how do you feel about

1353
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:23,200
that am I correct in my assessment there

1354
01:05:28,980 --> 01:05:27,369
or yeah and I don't think it was even

1355
01:05:31,740 --> 01:05:28,990
you know they don't probably have a

1356
01:05:33,569 --> 01:05:31,750
classified classification scheme like we

1357
01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:33,579
have maybe in the DoD I don't know maybe

1358
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:35,380
it's not even classified at all you know

1359
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:37,930
I mean so ultimately it was a situation

1360
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,510
where they said you know we just we want

1361
01:05:43,620 --> 01:05:41,920
to get somebody to look at this and help

1362
01:05:45,539 --> 01:05:43,630
us figure this thing out well what the

1363
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:45,549
heck did we see you know that type of

1364
01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:47,650
thing and so it was more of like you

1365
01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:50,680
know that scientific curiosity and

1366
01:05:54,269 --> 01:05:52,630
seeing if we can get somebody that can

1367
01:05:55,740 --> 01:05:54,279
help us out to understand what we saw

1368
01:05:57,900 --> 01:05:55,750
hey I wanted to point out real quick

1369
01:06:00,510 --> 01:05:57,910
that if you go up on the to the stars

1370
01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:00,520
Academy and there's COI which is that

1371
01:06:06,359 --> 01:06:01,960
community as we were talking about this

1372
01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:06,369
earlier there's a video clip of dr. Hal

1373
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:08,740
put off discusses the steps in his

1374
01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:10,990
pioneering research laboratory called

1375
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:13,990
earth pack international they're using

1376
01:06:18,180 --> 01:06:16,150
to determine if merit material collected

1377
01:06:20,279 --> 01:06:18,190
for the atom research project is likely

1378
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:20,289
to come from an advanced aerial vehicle

1379
01:06:25,289 --> 01:06:22,569
and he actually talks about what it's

1380
01:06:30,539 --> 01:06:25,299
hard to scientifically test and analyze

1381
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:30,549
potential UAP UFO material okay so I

1382
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:33,400
just want to bring up a quick point

1383
01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:36,010
from the peter's article that the chant

1384
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:38,320
cited earlier that the historically the

1385
01:06:42,330 --> 01:06:40,330
clear and present danger standard

1386
01:06:44,130 --> 01:06:42,340
ensured that americans had broad

1387
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:44,140
expression rights unless the government

1388
01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:45,910
proved that particular expression posed

1389
01:06:52,020 --> 01:06:48,520
a clear and imminent danger of serious

1390
01:06:53,580 --> 01:06:52,030
harm it's hard to imagine anything that

1391
01:06:56,340 --> 01:06:53,590
might come out that we would all of

1392
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:56,350
course love to see regarding the UFO

1393
01:07:02,850 --> 01:06:58,960
field and case studies and so on that

1394
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:02,860
would do that III that's the way i see

1395
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:05,530
it does anyone else i want to agree or

1396
01:07:15,390 --> 01:07:12,550
disagree with that well let me just jump

1397
01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:15,400
in i work in the IT world like i pointed

1398
01:07:23,730 --> 01:07:21,160
out you can't I mean one of the first

1399
01:07:26,130 --> 01:07:23,740
things that I did was to go on both

1400
01:07:28,290 --> 01:07:26,140
levels and see what I can find all in

1401
01:07:30,750 --> 01:07:28,300
the way of UFOs and and stuff like that

1402
01:07:36,270 --> 01:07:30,760
and generally what I find is so lack of

1403
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:36,280
interest right I don't care what term

1404
01:07:50,220 --> 01:07:39,280
you throw in there you ap you will work

1405
01:07:54,300 --> 01:07:50,230
and don't think my whole cube is

1406
01:08:01,040 --> 01:07:54,310
decorated in UFO stuff and and spends

1407
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:03,870
well Michael Holick sounds to me as if

1408
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:07,090
let's say hypothetically some UFO

1409
01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:09,450
researcher did receive a legitimate

1410
01:08:14,910 --> 01:08:12,550
classified document regarding UFOs and

1411
01:08:17,490 --> 01:08:14,920
III think that we all agree they exist

1412
01:08:20,310 --> 01:08:17,500
at least some level in some form if they

1413
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:20,320
did receive something along those lines

1414
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:23,890
they'd be pretty gutsy but that pretty

1415
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:26,770
safe I think in that going with that for

1416
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:28,450
the simple reason that how can the

1417
01:08:32,190 --> 01:08:29,770
government claim there's a clear and

1418
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:32,200
imminent danger here when it's something

1419
01:08:38,030 --> 01:08:34,090
the government doesn't care about I mean

1420
01:08:45,109 --> 01:08:42,539
Michael haw I'm not sure he's there but

1421
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:45,119
not your microphone Michael

1422
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:48,369
well if okay well well Michael's been

1423
01:09:03,390 --> 01:08:59,309
damn you and I were talking earlier

1424
01:09:05,099 --> 01:09:03,400
today about Asajj and and wanted to know

1425
01:09:08,370 --> 01:09:05,109
if he wouldn't mind can you tell me what

1426
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:08,380
you meant when you mentioned DeLong and

1427
01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:13,359
general McCasland sure I mean you know

1428
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:15,460
talking about leaked documents and

1429
01:09:19,919 --> 01:09:18,369
WikiLeaks and you know journalism and so

1430
01:09:21,959 --> 01:09:19,929
on obviously there's a whole debate

1431
01:09:23,999 --> 01:09:21,969
there that goes back a long way I

1432
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:24,009
personally do believe in freedom of the

1433
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:26,290
press and if you know he wasn't

1434
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,339
personally responsible for hacking into

1435
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:31,839
classified systems and this was given to

1436
01:09:37,530 --> 01:09:34,810
him as he claims in these emails he

1437
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:37,540
claims were not provided to him by the

1438
01:09:43,229 --> 01:09:39,670
Russians you know to sway the election

1439
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:43,239
that's his claim you know I also like

1440
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,650
going and looking at the documents and

1441
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:46,960
as everyone knows there are some UFO

1442
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:50,650
related things in mr. Podesta's emails

1443
01:09:54,959 --> 01:09:53,710
that were leaked so today I started

1444
01:09:58,290 --> 01:09:54,969
going through there and anyone can go to

1445
01:10:01,339 --> 01:09:58,300
WikiLeaks and look at Podesta's emails

1446
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:01,349
just do a search for Tom DeLonge and

1447
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:05,050
start reading all of the emails I don't

1448
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:08,020
know what the context of Tom's DeLong's

1449
01:10:13,069 --> 01:10:11,290
emails to John Podesta were but it's

1450
01:10:17,490 --> 01:10:13,079
very interesting that he talks about

1451
01:10:19,919 --> 01:10:17,500
General William McCaslin and this

1452
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,929
general from wright-patterson Air Force

1453
01:10:25,109 --> 01:10:22,239
Base that was apparently working very

1454
01:10:27,959 --> 01:10:25,119
closely with Tom as he was forming to

1455
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:27,969
the stars and he had direct influence on

1456
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:31,570
the team members or the members of his

1457
01:10:37,859 --> 01:10:34,719
committee so to speak and there's some

1458
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:37,869
very interesting email exchanges talking

1459
01:10:43,109 --> 01:10:40,449
about that this general was the one that

1460
01:10:46,220 --> 01:10:43,119
kind of was in charge of the laboratory

1461
01:10:49,649 --> 01:10:46,230
that received the materials from Roswell

1462
01:10:51,930 --> 01:10:49,659
and that he ran that laboratory for many

1463
01:10:55,459 --> 01:10:51,940
years and then it goes on

1464
01:10:58,650 --> 01:10:55,469
talk about some of the generals ideas

1465
01:11:01,200 --> 01:10:58,660
for a briefing to the American people

1466
01:11:04,410 --> 01:11:01,210
what this would look like to the senior

1467
01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:04,420
leadership what they would say and what

1468
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:06,790
NASA's position would be and what public

1469
01:11:12,209 --> 01:11:10,030
affairs positions would be and I mean he

1470
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:12,219
doesn't go right out and say it because

1471
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:14,260
he knows this is a public email - you

1472
01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:16,930
know that - a you know the government

1473
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:19,660
these things are public record but it's

1474
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:23,489
very interesting to read into that now I

1475
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:27,250
kind of waffle back and forth on the

1476
01:11:33,950 --> 01:11:30,880
classified technology he Tom DeLonge

1477
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:33,960
uses a term in these emails called

1478
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:37,300
classified science in the DoD projects

1479
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:39,790
again I have no idea what that means he

1480
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:43,690
must have some insider info on that you

1481
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,730
know there could be like four out of

1482
01:11:50,459 --> 01:11:47,920
five of these Navy vets that I talk to

1483
01:11:52,890 --> 01:11:50,469
you do believe that this technology that

1484
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:52,900
they were witnessing is our technology

1485
01:11:57,930 --> 01:11:55,570
and that's coming from their experience

1486
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:57,940
you know and these secret programs and

1487
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:01,600
things they've seen but again I don't

1488
01:12:04,979 --> 01:12:03,280
know if that's the case I just don't

1489
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:04,989
take it off the table and you read these

1490
01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:06,400
emails and you think what are they

1491
01:12:11,010 --> 01:12:07,630
talking about are they just talking

1492
01:12:11,939 --> 01:12:11,020
about oh hey American public UFOs are

1493
01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:11,949
real we don't know what they are

1494
01:12:15,570 --> 01:12:13,780
everyone should be concerned you know

1495
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:15,580
the Navy seeing them Air Force to seeing

1496
01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:18,640
oh no we should study it or is there

1497
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:21,640
something a bigger picture there so I

1498
01:12:25,709 --> 01:12:23,650
think that story still has to be

1499
01:12:28,380 --> 01:12:25,719
answered I'm not sure what the the truth

1500
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:28,390
is and just to clear something up really

1501
01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:31,449
quick McCasland ran the Air Force

1502
01:12:35,370 --> 01:12:33,160
Research Laboratory I believe at a

1503
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:35,380
wright-patterson Air Force Base that's

1504
01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:37,510
right yeah that's what it says yeah if

1505
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:39,430
you look if you do a background on him

1506
01:12:43,050 --> 01:12:41,800
all right yeah you seem to answer that

1507
01:12:44,670 --> 01:12:43,060
pretty quickly do you know anything

1508
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:44,680
about this guy can you fill us in on him

1509
01:12:51,959 --> 01:12:48,910
well no I just know you know Billy with

1510
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:51,969
FTD and I'm now that it's I think it's

1511
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:53,530
called Nasik now or something like that

1512
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:56,530
but FTD for technology division yeah I

1513
01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:00,239
actually gave a UFO presentation to FTD

1514
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,060
back when in my earlier days

1515
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:05,520
and so yeah I mean and I'm very familiar

1516
01:13:11,150 --> 01:13:07,260
with the kinds of work that they would

1517
01:13:13,010 --> 01:13:11,160
do because we do the thing with missile

1518
01:13:14,930 --> 01:13:13,020
technologies and stuff like that that we

1519
01:13:18,050 --> 01:13:14,940
get from foreign governments and stuff

1520
01:13:19,190 --> 01:13:18,060
like that here in in Huntsville we've

1521
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:19,200
got the missile Space Intelligence

1522
01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:21,570
Center so yeah I mean there's a lot of

1523
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,360
claims that I got over the years because

1524
01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:27,120
I would have I would have all kinds of

1525
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,070
when I was giving public lectures around

1526
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:30,960
the entire city of Dayton all the time

1527
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:34,020
and I was only on TV and radio and stuff

1528
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:35,520
like that and I get these people that

1529
01:13:39,620 --> 01:13:37,530
would be asking questions and one of the

1530
01:13:41,210 --> 01:13:39,630
things was I work out at the base and I

1531
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:41,220
do this and I'm three squad and they

1532
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:42,480
would they would be sharing their

1533
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:44,730
stories and stuff like that well you

1534
01:13:49,940 --> 01:13:48,000
know the thing is that you have to vet

1535
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:49,950
those stories no different than you do

1536
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:53,490
with a witness on the UFO case I mean we

1537
01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:56,010
believing that that just because they're

1538
01:14:00,560 --> 01:13:58,020
military that they don't lie or that

1539
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:00,570
they don't have they can't exaggerate

1540
01:14:05,150 --> 01:14:02,490
certain things and stuff like that so

1541
01:14:07,460 --> 01:14:05,160
you have to treat that testimony or that

1542
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:07,470
statement or that claim with the same

1543
01:14:14,090 --> 01:14:10,860
level of a fact-checking if you would

1544
01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:14,100
and and I don't know all the details

1545
01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:17,940
about this particular individual but I

1546
01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:21,030
can certainly tell you that I think that

1547
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:23,940
you know materials from Roswell did make

1548
01:14:30,650 --> 01:14:26,910
it to write Pat and I pretty much

1549
01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:30,660
satisfied with that as to what they

1550
01:14:36,710 --> 01:14:33,720
found or and where even that those

1551
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:36,720
materials are now I have no idea you

1552
01:14:41,540 --> 01:14:39,750
know things are there if sorry if you

1553
01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:41,550
look if you look at the Podesta emails

1554
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,190
with Tom DeLonge and you read into it

1555
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:46,920
the bigger picture of the things that

1556
01:14:50,830 --> 01:14:48,330
Tom DeLonge has been talking about

1557
01:14:53,420 --> 01:14:50,840
before say the New York Times article

1558
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:53,430
some of the appearances that he made on

1559
01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:55,050
radio and a few of the things that he

1560
01:15:00,230 --> 01:14:56,700
said and then you put it in contacts

1561
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:00,240
with these emails it kind of paints a

1562
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:01,890
picture now I'm not sure exactly what

1563
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:04,620
the answer is but again you don't know

1564
01:15:09,290 --> 01:15:06,810
if what Tom DeLonge is saying in this

1565
01:15:11,540 --> 01:15:09,300
email to Podesta is accurate or not it's

1566
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:11,550
just anecdotal and email so it could be

1567
01:15:16,939 --> 01:15:14,000
incorrect but sort of an interesting

1568
01:15:18,620 --> 01:15:16,949
contexts I'm Frank I think

1569
01:15:20,180 --> 01:15:18,630
you may have had a question if you can

1570
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:20,190
remember what it was if you don't I have

1571
01:15:24,430 --> 01:15:22,860
one for Michael he's back on with us as

1572
01:15:27,979 --> 01:15:24,440
you just brought him back on I think

1573
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:27,989
well I had asked him about the clear and

1574
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,120
present danger standard that is used in

1575
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:36,239
terms of a UFO or not our students a UFO

1576
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,170
my bad in terms of whether or not the

1577
01:15:45,229 --> 01:15:42,420
press could not be restrained in some

1578
01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:45,239
way from going with something and it's

1579
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:48,620
hard to imagine a circumstance where a

1580
01:15:56,780 --> 01:15:53,250
UFO legitimately classified legitimate

1581
01:15:58,490 --> 01:15:56,790
UFO document and gets leaked to a UFO

1582
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:58,500
researcher let's say and they go with it

1583
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:00,540
it'll be hard for the government to

1584
01:16:05,959 --> 01:16:02,610
claim there's a we're an imminent danger

1585
01:16:07,340 --> 01:16:05,969
there when basically they're there

1586
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,350
they're not really expressing a whole

1587
01:16:12,490 --> 01:16:09,600
lot of interest in UFOs it seems like

1588
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,350
well that would go to the prior

1589
01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:18,480
restraint issue you're right Frank which

1590
01:16:25,490 --> 01:16:23,100
is is very sharp edge by the way you

1591
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:25,500
know when a court issues an injunction

1592
01:16:30,050 --> 01:16:27,780
against the newspaper or a publication

1593
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:30,060
or any kind of a journalist from

1594
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:34,080
publishing something the journalists can

1595
01:16:40,510 --> 01:16:38,250
make a choice they can go along with the

1596
01:16:43,580 --> 01:16:40,520
court order initially and then try to

1597
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:43,590
attack it after the fact through the

1598
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:45,750
court system or they can just go ahead

1599
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:49,199
and and publish but the real issue is is

1600
01:16:55,390 --> 01:16:52,880
is very difficult to fight the case of

1601
01:16:58,430 --> 01:16:55,400
going against a restraining order

1602
01:17:01,340 --> 01:16:58,440
prospectively ahead of time rather than

1603
01:17:04,850 --> 01:17:01,350
going along with the prior restraint at

1604
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:04,860
a time at the time the court orders it

1605
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:07,170
and then trying to attack it later on so

1606
01:17:12,860 --> 01:17:08,910
most people are pretty skittish about

1607
01:17:15,709 --> 01:17:12,870
that but so I would say that if the

1608
01:17:19,220 --> 01:17:15,719
government decided for some reason that

1609
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:19,230
UFOs were a high enough security risk

1610
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:21,210
that they were going to bring a prior

1611
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:25,320
restraint you know order from the court

1612
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:29,640
to stop a publication in that regard

1613
01:17:37,220 --> 01:17:33,540
they would obviously have to show some

1614
01:17:39,970 --> 01:17:37,230
kind of evidence that this would be of

1615
01:17:42,580 --> 01:17:39,980
such a high regard that they needed to

1616
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:42,590
you know prospectively stop it before

1617
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,560
it's being published so that they would

1618
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:49,040
almost give credence to the issue of

1619
01:17:55,930 --> 01:17:53,250
UFOs which they're seeming to to do

1620
01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:55,940
nowadays but they're also given a higher

1621
01:18:01,490 --> 01:17:58,380
priority to it if they're doing to go

1622
01:18:03,410 --> 01:18:01,500
for prior restraint and also just by

1623
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:03,420
doing that just by taking that action in

1624
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,010
the first place they're basically

1625
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:06,960
admitting that the document itself is

1626
01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:10,170
legitimate which as far as I know

1627
01:18:16,330 --> 01:18:13,620
they've never done exactly that's uh

1628
01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:16,340
they've been very crafty in that regard

1629
01:18:21,140 --> 01:18:18,630
and you know the whole eye issue with

1630
01:18:23,390 --> 01:18:21,150
Assange and UFOs and all that stuff

1631
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:23,400
they're not attacking that at this point

1632
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:25,110
they're talking other things

1633
01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:28,290
collaterally to accomplish maybe their

1634
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:31,350
final goal of keeping him away from the

1635
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:33,930
real meat of the issue that that he

1636
01:18:39,230 --> 01:18:37,500
potentially has in his hip pocket at one

1637
01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:39,240
time there was an issue as to whether he

1638
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:42,360
was really a journalist or not I think

1639
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:44,850
Asajj I I don't know if I'm correct or

1640
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:48,510
not may have counted himself as a

1641
01:18:55,220 --> 01:18:51,750
journalist after he released all of that

1642
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:55,230
data that hackers provided to him I

1643
01:18:59,720 --> 01:18:57,930
wanted to ask you a question but Michael

1644
01:19:03,140 --> 01:18:59,730
but let me just read you something first

1645
01:19:05,060 --> 01:19:03,150
about Hilde liesecke who's 12 years old

1646
01:19:06,610 --> 01:19:05,070
now and the youngest member of the

1647
01:19:09,380 --> 01:19:06,620
National Society of Professional

1648
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:09,390
Journalists held he is a reporter and

1649
01:19:14,540 --> 01:19:12,000
publisher of Orange Street News a

1650
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:14,550
Pennsylvania based news site when you're

1651
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:15,960
at Frank Pennsylvania

1652
01:19:20,060 --> 01:19:18,210
she has received national attention for

1653
01:19:23,210 --> 01:19:20,070
her recording she was only nine years

1654
01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:23,220
old when she grabbed a pen notepad and

1655
01:19:28,370 --> 01:19:26,340
camera and posted something online and

1656
01:19:30,860 --> 01:19:28,380
beat all her local competitors to the

1657
01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:30,870
big scoop with her headline exclusive

1658
01:19:34,670 --> 01:19:32,550
murder on 9th Street

1659
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:34,680
she didn't only just beat the local

1660
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:36,810
paper but she managed to grab a short

1661
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,510
video from the crime scene as well the

1662
01:19:43,470 --> 01:19:42,480
point here is she was only nine when she

1663
01:19:46,260 --> 01:19:43,480
counted as a

1664
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:46,270
journalist and you know it's just

1665
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:51,520
interesting Michael please fill us in on

1666
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:55,810
John topic and that is this is it a gray

1667
01:20:06,180 --> 01:19:57,730
area whether people are journals

1668
01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:06,190
journalists are not understand is I you

1669
01:20:14,010 --> 01:20:09,580
know let's just pretend on and you don't

1670
01:20:15,810 --> 01:20:14,020
even have no pad or or pinch you're all

1671
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:15,820
of your senses and then you were to a

1672
01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:27,230
well yes I would definitely

1673
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:30,230
you assassin now adays with the

1674
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,840
capability city bus we'd be copies and

1675
01:20:38,810 --> 01:20:35,280
broadcasting I have a degree in

1676
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:38,820
broadcast journalism myself my BA is is

1677
01:20:44,210 --> 01:20:41,250
is journalism but you know I don't go

1678
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:44,220
around necessarily talking or explaining

1679
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:46,650
that I'm a journalist but any kind of

1680
01:20:51,650 --> 01:20:48,600
information you run across

1681
01:20:53,480 --> 01:20:51,660
if you're going to disseminate it you

1682
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:53,490
become a journalist and I think the

1683
01:20:59,930 --> 01:20:57,330
First Amendment has been very liberally

1684
01:21:01,460 --> 01:20:59,940
construed in that regard because they

1685
01:21:03,620 --> 01:21:01,470
don't want to get into that area of

1686
01:21:06,140 --> 01:21:03,630
trying to attack the freedom of the

1687
01:21:09,980 --> 01:21:06,150
press the freedom of speech head-on

1688
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:09,990
that's very difficult to do yeah and now

1689
01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:11,730
real quick I want to jump in and

1690
01:21:15,140 --> 01:21:13,620
something we haven't discussed in detail

1691
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:15,150
I played it a little bit earlier I want

1692
01:21:20,420 --> 01:21:17,850
to play it again was a leaked video that

1693
01:21:22,190 --> 01:21:20,430
came out back in the mid 90s it was

1694
01:21:24,830 --> 01:21:22,200
picked up originally I believe by the

1695
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:24,840
sitings TV show I wanted to play that

1696
01:21:30,380 --> 01:21:26,730
again I think it's a it was taken over

1697
01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:30,390
the Nellis Air Force Base area and it's

1698
01:21:35,450 --> 01:21:33,510
very curious and I think a few of us had

1699
01:21:36,650 --> 01:21:35,460
a chance to take a look at it do you

1700
01:21:39,020 --> 01:21:36,660
want to give us any thoughts on that

1701
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:39,030
because I don't think that gets that

1702
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:40,890
much attention these days but it's

1703
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,440
interesting again it's a leaked video

1704
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:46,320
that came out and anybody want to jump

1705
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:50,310
in on the content of the video this is

1706
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:51,930
Dave I can talk a little bit about that

1707
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:53,970
um when I first saw that I believe on

1708
01:22:01,160 --> 01:21:57,570
sightings I was pretty blown away by

1709
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:01,170
what appeared on camera obviously it

1710
01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:02,490
seems to be some type of military

1711
01:22:08,540 --> 01:22:07,020
tracking camera that is imaging a object

1712
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:08,550
and the operator is heard on the radios

1713
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:10,140
don't seem to know what they're looking

1714
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:14,730
at again I think that somebody that was

1715
01:22:20,270 --> 01:22:16,590
there got a hold of this and then ended

1716
01:22:23,330 --> 01:22:20,280
up selling that video piece to like hard

1717
01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:23,340
copy and claim that they weren't the

1718
01:22:29,480 --> 01:22:26,520
ones that filmed it and so on later on

1719
01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:29,490
you know in the 2000s researcher by the

1720
01:22:34,670 --> 01:22:32,550
name of Martin Powell did a bunch of

1721
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:34,680
forensics on that video and came to the

1722
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:37,710
conclusion that it was filmed in the

1723
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:41,130
tano pod electronic war

1724
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:44,820
their test range where you know the Air

1725
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:47,010
Force and maybe I believe do these red

1726
01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:50,610
flag exercises and they fly fighter

1727
01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:52,230
planes and other planes around

1728
01:22:58,990 --> 01:22:55,350
simulating combat one of the things that

1729
01:23:02,500 --> 01:22:59,000
they have on the ground are our Soviet

1730
01:23:05,450 --> 01:23:02,510
style radars that would simulate

1731
01:23:07,220 --> 01:23:05,460
anti-aircraft defenses so they bring up

1732
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,230
these radars in the fighter pilots or

1733
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,080
the Bombers have to kind of avoid them

1734
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:13,199
or defeat these enemy radars and their

1735
01:23:18,770 --> 01:23:16,050
simulated attacks and it's believed that

1736
01:23:21,860 --> 01:23:18,780
that video is from one of those radar

1737
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:21,870
trucks or radar facilities that is

1738
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:24,719
simulating an enemy radar and so they're

1739
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:27,060
you know showing an object coming at

1740
01:23:32,959 --> 01:23:29,820
them that they don't know what it is so

1741
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:32,969
that's a little background of at least

1742
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:34,050
what that represents

1743
01:23:39,379 --> 01:23:37,679
and I agree I tried to do some digging

1744
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,389
around this Ridge I tried to do some

1745
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:41,040
digging around on I've seen a lot my

1746
01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:43,650
teams as well and to me it's like one of

1747
01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:45,780
those things where it's like you know is

1748
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:51,270
it a significant value to us I mean even

1749
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:54,120
for us se you to organize an an

1750
01:24:00,860 --> 01:23:57,000
investigate and there's just not any

1751
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:00,870
data that goes with this thing and you

1752
01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:03,210
just you struggle with it you know

1753
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:05,580
there's got an elevation and like an

1754
01:24:10,729 --> 01:24:08,010
azimuth kind of like reading and if it

1755
01:24:13,879 --> 01:24:10,739
is in the Tonopah region you know then

1756
01:24:16,459 --> 01:24:13,889
I'm surprised that if it's a test that

1757
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,469
who are these operators that are saying

1758
01:24:21,620 --> 01:24:18,239
that they don't know about the test and

1759
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:21,630
you know I just struggle with it because

1760
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:24,449
there's just not any data that goes

1761
01:24:30,740 --> 01:24:28,530
along with it so I I'm hard pressed to

1762
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,750
really spend much time on those kinds of

1763
01:24:33,950 --> 01:24:33,120
things because you just don't really get

1764
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:33,960
anywhere with them

1765
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:44,030
rich was saying earlier to me is that

1766
01:24:51,890 --> 01:24:47,250
this interesting video would be labeled

1767
01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:51,900
as insufficient data and MUFON any

1768
01:24:54,910 --> 01:24:53,820
comments on that you don't have the

1769
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:54,920
Providence bond

1770
01:25:00,430 --> 01:24:57,440
- you know you run into problems you

1771
01:25:02,710 --> 01:25:00,440
know you gotta have some background on

1772
01:25:06,130 --> 01:25:02,720
it you know I I get stuff all the time

1773
01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:06,140
that that you know we can't really go

1774
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:09,710
and track back to the source and so it

1775
01:25:13,570 --> 01:25:11,930
may be anime the most amazing video that

1776
01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:13,580
you ever saw but if you can't really

1777
01:25:18,130 --> 01:25:16,550
track back where it came from or as far

1778
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:18,140
as photographs go if you don't have the

1779
01:25:23,260 --> 01:25:21,110
exif data the original photo you know

1780
01:25:25,150 --> 01:25:23,270
it's the same sort of thing you you know

1781
01:25:27,610 --> 01:25:25,160
there's lots of videos out there that I

1782
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:27,620
think are exciting and interesting but

1783
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,810
if you have zero background on it it's

1784
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:32,080
kind of unusable to us unfortunately

1785
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:34,970
yeah I mean that really is a case when

1786
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:37,250
you think about it no photo no video

1787
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:40,970
will never stand it on its own as proof

1788
01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:43,370
of anything other than there's a video

1789
01:25:48,580 --> 01:25:46,520
there's an image you've got to have all

1790
01:25:50,830 --> 01:25:48,590
of those other facets of the

1791
01:25:52,690 --> 01:25:50,840
investigation to even point you to a

1792
01:25:55,150 --> 01:25:52,700
direction to say you could identify it

1793
01:26:00,040 --> 01:25:55,160
or not but yeah I agree that's just

1794
01:26:02,380 --> 01:26:00,050
insufficient data there yep Shane is a

1795
01:26:09,730 --> 01:26:02,390
great a great investigator man we're

1796
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,740
proud to have him I think you're right

1797
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:11,120
by the way about Jenny's wonderful

1798
01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:13,370
person so is his beautiful wife Donna a

1799
01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:15,830
Jeff was saying that he feels the data

1800
01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:18,440
is insufficient for sure Jeff can you

1801
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:20,260
chime in on that

1802
01:26:25,390 --> 01:26:23,690
regarding the nellis video well again

1803
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:25,400
you know you don't know the story behind

1804
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:29,210
it any of the elements in it or even

1805
01:26:36,250 --> 01:26:32,330
that it's a real video so to give it any

1806
01:26:39,010 --> 01:26:36,260
credence would be foolish it looks

1807
01:26:41,650 --> 01:26:39,020
interesting but yeah I can't figure out

1808
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,660
what it is interesting videos are a dime

1809
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:43,760
a dozen I'm more impressed with the

1810
01:26:48,010 --> 01:26:45,770
video shot by that seven-year-old girl

1811
01:26:52,690 --> 01:26:48,020
that we had the case of no that's a

1812
01:26:56,230 --> 01:26:52,700
great shot of a disc well my opinion

1813
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:56,240
crap we have excess data on it she took

1814
01:27:01,300 --> 01:26:58,610
photos she didn't mean to but she got

1815
01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:01,310
them you know and I just thought one

1816
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:03,260
other leak that came out I think is that

1817
01:27:08,860 --> 01:27:07,130
kind of interesting this was one of the

1818
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:08,870
Defense Intelligence

1819
01:27:14,740 --> 01:27:12,290
documents a couple of reports written by

1820
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:14,750
Eric Davis ended up in the hands of

1821
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:18,560
Corey good cut out a cure a curious

1822
01:27:30,190 --> 01:27:26,690
source but one day after the New York

1823
01:27:33,670 --> 01:27:30,200
Times article came out so you can't deny

1824
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:33,680
it he did have him up there you got to

1825
01:27:36,700 --> 01:27:34,850
think that there's some of the folks

1826
01:27:38,290 --> 01:27:36,710
that are passing this stuff out do you

1827
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:38,300
have a little bit of a sense of humor

1828
01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:41,090
maybe hard hard to figure out but I did

1829
01:27:45,460 --> 01:27:42,950
want to give good credit where credit is

1830
01:27:51,010 --> 01:27:45,470
due I think that's been taking advantage

1831
01:27:53,380 --> 01:27:51,020
of the new marijuana laws ok like I said

1832
01:27:54,970 --> 01:27:53,390
he did have him he posted him the day

1833
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:54,980
after the New York Times story came out

1834
01:27:59,680 --> 01:27:57,920
somebody passed them to him so he got

1835
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:59,690
him he did post them didn't really make

1836
01:28:04,330 --> 01:28:01,760
that much of a big deal about it and as

1837
01:28:06,130 --> 01:28:04,340
far as I know he hasn't done wolven this

1838
01:28:10,210 --> 01:28:06,140
particular tale and just some of his

1839
01:28:12,580 --> 01:28:10,220
other more shall we say speculative

1840
01:28:15,190 --> 01:28:12,590
stories that he tells but you can't deny

1841
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:15,200
it he had he had the two reports from

1842
01:28:20,350 --> 01:28:17,690
Davis up on his website the day after

1843
01:28:22,540 --> 01:28:20,360
the New York Times story so there you go

1844
01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:22,550
and like I said I think some people who

1845
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:24,710
do do some occasional leaking have a

1846
01:28:29,050 --> 01:28:26,210
little bit of a sense of humor in terms

1847
01:28:30,910 --> 01:28:29,060
of who they leak to but that that's also

1848
01:28:33,730 --> 01:28:30,920
part of the leaking process you decide

1849
01:28:35,530 --> 01:28:33,740
who you send it to so I did what I did

1850
01:28:38,110 --> 01:28:35,540
want to mention that and I give a thank

1851
01:28:45,190 --> 01:28:38,120
you he said do do and linking in the

1852
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:45,200
same sentence to the mj-12 documents I

1853
01:28:49,810 --> 01:28:46,970
wanted to make a comment to Michael Hall

1854
01:28:51,850 --> 01:28:49,820
and that is Michael I don't I'm sure you

1855
01:28:53,890 --> 01:28:51,860
can recall when you were on the show as

1856
01:28:56,050 --> 01:28:53,900
a guest when we had the privilege of

1857
01:28:58,630 --> 01:28:56,060
interviewing you we were just talking

1858
01:29:02,410 --> 01:28:58,640
about the Pentagon Papers of red flags

1859
01:29:05,370 --> 01:29:02,420
and deep state the question I had wanted

1860
01:29:10,210 --> 01:29:05,380
to ask you is this regarding Assange and

1861
01:29:13,300 --> 01:29:10,220
you touched on red flag scenario where

1862
01:29:17,980 --> 01:29:13,310
is the red flag if there was one to be

1863
01:29:20,290 --> 01:29:17,990
had regarding Asajj well the red flag

1864
01:29:22,179 --> 01:29:20,300
for me seems to be the timing of this

1865
01:29:24,540 --> 01:29:22,189
arrest

1866
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:24,550
you know Assange has been there

1867
01:29:32,799 --> 01:29:28,369
invulnerable for years why just now do

1868
01:29:34,750 --> 01:29:32,809
they give the the large loan to the

1869
01:29:38,319 --> 01:29:34,760
Ecuadorian Embassy or whoever they gave

1870
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:38,329
it to and what is prompting the the

1871
01:29:44,169 --> 01:29:41,360
action at this point that it's my always

1872
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:44,179
thought in the background is why is the

1873
01:29:50,259 --> 01:29:48,530
timing ripe at this point to go forward

1874
01:29:51,850 --> 01:29:50,269
like we did mention that might be

1875
01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:51,860
because of a statute of limitation

1876
01:29:58,120 --> 01:29:54,289
problem that they might be perceiving

1877
01:30:02,049 --> 01:29:58,130
down the road or it might be that it's

1878
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,059
not necessarily the red flag itself by

1879
01:30:07,810 --> 01:30:03,920
the arrest of massage but it's just

1880
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:07,820
hunted taking the spotlight off of this

1881
01:30:11,229 --> 01:30:10,880
whole area at this time for something

1882
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:11,239
else

1883
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:12,610
that might be going on in the background

1884
01:30:18,370 --> 01:30:15,650
I'd like another possible scenario is

1885
01:30:20,799 --> 01:30:18,380
just took a while to change over the

1886
01:30:23,379 --> 01:30:20,809
Ecuadorian government send to sort of

1887
01:30:25,089 --> 01:30:23,389
and get them to play ball I think that

1888
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,099
might be part of that process because

1889
01:30:28,839 --> 01:30:27,199
basically what happened was he was safe

1890
01:30:31,149 --> 01:30:28,849
while he was in the embassy and

1891
01:30:32,979 --> 01:30:31,159
basically what the Ecuadorians did is

1892
01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:32,989
they evicted so that's why he became

1893
01:30:37,379 --> 01:30:36,289
available for Mueller I mean elephant in

1894
01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:37,389
the room

1895
01:30:43,569 --> 01:30:41,030
you know the Mueller report we're gonna

1896
01:30:46,810 --> 01:30:43,579
be seen more than four pages very

1897
01:30:49,569 --> 01:30:46,820
shortly and of course a lot of it has to

1898
01:30:51,429 --> 01:30:49,579
deal with the Russian hacking of our

1899
01:30:54,609 --> 01:30:51,439
election system and the democratic

1900
01:30:58,209 --> 01:30:54,619
process and WikiLeaks is intricately

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01:31:00,989 --> 01:30:58,219
tied to all these investigations so no

1902
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:00,999
it's not any surprise to me whatsoever

1903
01:31:06,969 --> 01:31:04,070
that they should make a grab effort to

1904
01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:06,979
try and get Julian Assange especially if

1905
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:09,679
they can get them extradited to the

1906
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:12,650
United States but now you see here's the

1907
01:31:15,969 --> 01:31:13,610
sticky wicket

1908
01:31:19,569 --> 01:31:15,979
is he a private citizen or is he a

1909
01:31:22,509 --> 01:31:19,579
journalist doesn't really matter because

1910
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:22,519
and I'm you know quotes out of the First

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01:31:27,399 --> 01:31:25,010
Amendment are great no but one of the

1912
01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:27,409
quotes actually on the old page that you

1913
01:31:32,919 --> 01:31:30,409
sent me earlier chant I think really

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01:31:35,500 --> 01:31:32,929
sums up the whole viewpoint on it and

1915
01:31:37,689 --> 01:31:35,510
that is that state action

1916
01:31:40,359 --> 01:31:37,699
to punish the publication of truthful

1917
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:40,369
information seldom can satisfy

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01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:45,050
constitutional standards and you know

1919
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,510
once again you're running up against

1920
01:31:52,959 --> 01:31:50,000
that beautiful brick wall called the

1921
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:52,969
Constitution that protects the rights of

1922
01:31:58,209 --> 01:31:54,730
journalists and the freedom of speech

1923
01:32:00,970 --> 01:31:58,219
and it's not based on whether you like

1924
01:32:04,379 --> 01:32:00,980
what was said it's based on the fact

1925
01:32:08,259 --> 01:32:04,389
that the person has the right to say it

1926
01:32:11,169 --> 01:32:08,269
there was a kind of similar to the

1927
01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:11,179
Assange situation where again this

1928
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:14,329
involves British law now - and the

1929
01:32:19,540 --> 01:32:16,730
extradition process there was a fellow

1930
01:32:24,129 --> 01:32:19,550
named Gary McKinnon who was able to get

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01:32:26,410 --> 01:32:24,139
into various u.s. governmental computers

1932
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:26,420
including a NASA computer apparently and

1933
01:32:32,169 --> 01:32:29,449
the u.s. tried very very hard for a lot

1934
01:32:34,810 --> 01:32:32,179
of years to get him extradited that

1935
01:32:36,339 --> 01:32:34,820
failed because basically it became as

1936
01:32:38,770 --> 01:32:36,349
such an issue amongst the British people

1937
01:32:40,810 --> 01:32:38,780
they didn't want their guy extradited

1938
01:32:43,209 --> 01:32:40,820
and they put enough pressure privately

1939
01:32:45,939 --> 01:32:43,219
on the government where it got all the

1940
01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:45,949
way to the top and people like the the

1941
01:32:50,169 --> 01:32:47,710
current prime minister met and

1942
01:32:53,259 --> 01:32:50,179
previously David Cameron who was prime

1943
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:53,269
minister they got enough political heat

1944
01:32:58,419 --> 01:32:55,760
that they didn't really go along with it

1945
01:33:02,410 --> 01:32:58,429
and ultimately MacKinnon was never

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01:33:04,839 --> 01:33:02,420
extradited and just one day get all of

1947
01:33:07,209 --> 01:33:04,849
your thoughts on all that I think the

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01:33:09,580 --> 01:33:07,219
difference there is MacKinnon public he

1949
01:33:12,009 --> 01:33:09,590
actually did the deed of breaking in and

1950
01:33:15,129 --> 01:33:12,019
acting which is of course illegal

1951
01:33:17,049 --> 01:33:15,139
whereas Assange didn't actually break in

1952
01:33:19,450 --> 01:33:17,059
and get the information himself he's the

1953
01:33:21,399 --> 01:33:19,460
guy that published the information well

1954
01:33:23,169 --> 01:33:21,409
that's a distinction that needs to be

1955
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:23,179
made right there I'm glad you brought

1956
01:33:28,509 --> 01:33:24,800
that up because that's actually being

1957
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,519
brought up as a possibility that he

1958
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:31,280
helped Chelsea Manning break into a

1959
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:35,210
computer the the files so so I wasn't

1960
01:33:39,459 --> 01:33:37,730
aware he was technologically capable of

1961
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:39,469
doing such thing or advanced in

1962
01:33:43,930 --> 01:33:41,210
intellect enough to know how to do that

1963
01:33:46,839 --> 01:33:43,940
well whether we surmise that or not or

1964
01:33:48,810 --> 01:33:46,849
postulate on that I tell you that one of

1965
01:33:52,069 --> 01:33:48,820
the charges is he

1966
01:33:56,330 --> 01:33:52,079
being accused of helping Chelsea Manning

1967
01:33:59,490 --> 01:33:56,340
break in to a certain part of I guess

1968
01:34:02,010 --> 01:33:59,500
database or fouls or folders with

1969
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:02,020
regards to helping her figure out how to

1970
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:05,170
attain a password or use some kind of

1971
01:34:10,020 --> 01:34:07,360
method to find a second username I

1972
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:10,030
believe right exactly exactly yep

1973
01:34:15,330 --> 01:34:13,090
so anyway I wanted to let our listeners

1974
01:34:17,819 --> 01:34:15,340
know something about Gary McKinnon

1975
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:17,829
getting it from Wikipedia I've already

1976
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:19,210
checked this information is accurate

1977
01:34:23,790 --> 01:34:20,800
sometimes people complain about

1978
01:34:26,729 --> 01:34:23,800
Wikipedia being accurate but Gary McCain

1979
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:26,739
just so our listeners know who he is he

1980
01:34:30,780 --> 01:34:29,110
was a Scottish assist admin hacker who

1981
01:34:32,399 --> 01:34:30,790
was accused of no - of perpetrating the

1982
01:34:32,879 --> 01:34:32,409
biggest military computer hack of all

1983
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:32,889
time

1984
01:34:37,470 --> 01:34:35,770
although MacKinnon states himself he was

1985
01:34:40,290 --> 01:34:37,480
merely looking for evidence of free

1986
01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:40,300
energy suppression and a cover-up of UFO

1987
01:34:43,410 --> 01:34:41,710
activity and other technologies

1988
01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:43,420
potentially useful to the public

1989
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:46,900
on October 16th of 12 2012 after a

1990
01:34:50,850 --> 01:34:48,610
series of legal proceedings in Britain

1991
01:34:52,890 --> 01:34:50,860
Home Secretary Theresa May would through

1992
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:52,900
her extradition order to the US just as

1993
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:56,320
you were saying Frank it's interesting

1994
01:34:59,760 --> 01:34:58,000
about MacKinnon does anybody have

1995
01:35:02,399 --> 01:34:59,770
anything they want to say about him

1996
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:02,409
regarding it yet go ahead I have a

1997
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:05,110
comment is Dave you know again I don't

1998
01:35:09,689 --> 01:35:06,610
know all this stuff so I start looking

1999
01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:09,699
at it when you arch and aside from the

2000
01:35:12,899 --> 01:35:11,440
political side of it in the legal side

2001
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:12,909
of it I like what some of these people

2002
01:35:17,879 --> 01:35:15,730
are saying and MacKinnon said to the BBC

2003
01:35:21,180 --> 01:35:17,889
in an interview that he you know he

2004
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,190
started looking into this in his hacking

2005
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:22,960
because of the disclosure project of

2006
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:25,119
course you know that one but that he

2007
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:26,880
said that there are some very credible

2008
01:35:31,890 --> 01:35:29,440
relied upon people that are all saying

2009
01:35:34,830 --> 01:35:31,900
yes you know there is UFO technology

2010
01:35:38,129 --> 01:35:34,840
there is anti-gravity there is free

2011
01:35:40,290 --> 01:35:38,139
energy and it's extraterrestrial origin

2012
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:40,300
they have captured spacecraft and

2013
01:35:45,500 --> 01:35:43,570
reverse engineered it so whether he

2014
01:35:48,209 --> 01:35:45,510
actually found proof of that in his

2015
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:48,219
hacking deeds I don't know but he claims

2016
01:35:55,169 --> 01:35:52,719
he did and as an aside he also David

2017
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:55,179
Gilmore Pink Floyd also released an

2018
01:36:00,740 --> 01:35:58,239
online single supporting him yeah you

2019
01:36:01,830 --> 01:36:00,750
got a lot of public support it wasn't

2020
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:01,840
not

2021
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:04,410
I think a Bob Geldof was involved in

2022
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:06,400
speaking up for him and they're trying

2023
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:09,570
to fight the extradition a lot of

2024
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:12,070
high-profile folks did get behind him

2025
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:13,570
and there was a lot of grassroots

2026
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:15,970
support for that too and ultimately he

2027
01:36:20,850 --> 01:36:18,490
is where he is he never was extradited

2028
01:36:23,190 --> 01:36:20,860
to the state so we'll see if the same

2029
01:36:25,380 --> 01:36:23,200
sort of thing happens on Assange behalf

2030
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:25,390
a little too early to tell you we'll see

2031
01:36:29,310 --> 01:36:27,550
how that and wanted to make a comment

2032
01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:29,320
that's actually kind of related to the

2033
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:31,590
Chelsea Manning statement I just made

2034
01:36:39,170 --> 01:36:34,560
regarding Assange having allegedly

2035
01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:39,180
helped Chelsea Manning get access into a

2036
01:36:45,180 --> 01:36:42,640
network or into a file or folder for

2037
01:36:47,670 --> 01:36:45,190
more classified intelligence and that is

2038
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:47,680
McKinnon was saying on a BBC click

2039
01:36:51,900 --> 01:36:50,650
program is the name of it is that he was

2040
01:36:53,730 --> 01:36:51,910
able to get into military networks

2041
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:53,740
simply by using perl script

2042
01:36:58,650 --> 01:36:56,800
that's searched for blank passwords in

2043
01:37:00,150 --> 01:36:58,660
other words says reports suggest that

2044
01:37:03,690 --> 01:37:00,160
there were computers on these networks

2045
01:37:06,210 --> 01:37:03,700
with the default passwords active so is

2046
01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:06,220
that easy it's unfortunate he didn't get

2047
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:16,420
a screenshot of what he saw into my

2048
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:18,490
computer you can find out that the army

2049
01:37:28,980 --> 01:37:24,160
is looking into UFOs strange things that

2050
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:28,990
I've got on my desktop so have fun in

2051
01:37:37,050 --> 01:37:30,610
your computer rich and I really like

2052
01:37:40,730 --> 01:37:37,060
your wife chicken pie recipe long with

2053
01:37:43,410 --> 01:37:40,740
the anti-gravity craft are developing

2054
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:43,420
you know I'll be able to come right over

2055
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:50,970
everybody know that on rich Hoffman's

2056
01:38:02,820 --> 01:37:54,000
computer there's a bunch of gifts about

2057
01:38:04,530 --> 01:38:02,830
UFOs abducting cows and the Army's

2058
01:38:08,130 --> 01:38:04,540
really heavily involved in that whole

2059
01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:08,140
thing let me tell you where for a second

2060
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:13,300
I thought you're gonna say cats pushing

2061
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:20,900
okay I'm moving along at mj-12 documents

2062
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:23,010
we have some interesting news to share

2063
01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:25,050
but let's just talk about the old ones

2064
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:27,390
first and then we're going to move on to

2065
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:30,450
Michael halls talking about his having

2066
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:32,970
revealed new mj-12 documents regarding

2067
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:35,400
grant Cameron having received them from

2068
01:38:40,190 --> 01:38:37,620
a person who leaked them to him at a

2069
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,200
conference and a frank I want to ask you

2070
01:38:44,780 --> 01:38:42,000
a question could you cover the mj-12

2071
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:44,790
documents regarding the old documents

2072
01:38:50,270 --> 01:38:46,770
and what they were well just very

2073
01:38:52,700 --> 01:38:50,280
quickly they were sent on microfilm to a

2074
01:38:55,310 --> 01:38:52,710
filmmaker named Jamie and array I

2075
01:38:58,760 --> 01:38:55,320
believe it's pronounced and this was a

2076
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,770
back in the 80s really well researched

2077
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:00,480
I've covered it in more detail in other

2078
01:39:05,420 --> 01:39:03,450
shows and I don't want to go into too

2079
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:05,430
much detail basically I think they're

2080
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,010
exceptionally well researched fakes they

2081
01:39:13,490 --> 01:39:10,800
are marked top secret you know

2082
01:39:15,860 --> 01:39:13,500
apparently classified to the best of my

2083
01:39:17,810 --> 01:39:15,870
knowledge and somebody jump into correct

2084
01:39:22,130 --> 01:39:17,820
me if I'm wrong about this but as far as

2085
01:39:23,150 --> 01:39:22,140
I know there has never been a genuine no

2086
01:39:26,210 --> 01:39:23,160
question about it

2087
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:26,220
leap classified document to any kind of

2088
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:28,410
UFO researcher who made the public as

2089
01:39:32,690 --> 01:39:30,210
far as I know it's never happened

2090
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:32,700
anybody want to jump in and am I wrong

2091
01:39:38,210 --> 01:39:35,520
about that or well well you're wrong

2092
01:39:41,210 --> 01:39:38,220
according to Stanton Friedman okay okay

2093
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:41,220
I don't believe the mj-12 Doc's are

2094
01:39:46,910 --> 01:39:44,970
legit and I believe that they that they

2095
01:39:50,660 --> 01:39:46,920
are Air Force Office of Special

2096
01:39:52,970 --> 01:39:50,670
Investigations quite a bit of

2097
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:52,980
investigation was done on the type of

2098
01:39:59,360 --> 01:39:56,340
them the types of inks that were used at

2099
01:40:02,330 --> 01:39:59,370
the time the type set and it was

2100
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:02,340
concluded that some of the documents

2101
01:40:08,030 --> 01:40:06,000
were legit and a few that could not be

2102
01:40:11,230 --> 01:40:08,040
verified but there was still a high

2103
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:11,240
likelihood that they probably were legit

2104
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:14,730
so as far as the batch of mj-12

2105
01:40:19,940 --> 01:40:17,130
documents that were released to Jamie

2106
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:19,950
Shand era they've been tested and

2107
01:40:26,630 --> 01:40:22,800
scrutinized by experts like dr. robert

2108
01:40:28,820 --> 01:40:26,640
wood his son ryan wood and others at

2109
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:28,830
different laboratories

2110
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,410
and verified that you know there's no

2111
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:33,840
reason whatsoever why they could not be

2112
01:40:41,450 --> 01:40:35,970
actual documents that were microfilm

2113
01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:41,460
like that like I said I'm not convinced

2114
01:40:46,940 --> 01:40:43,380
that they're legitimate but be that as

2115
01:40:49,610 --> 01:40:46,950
it may the does anyone familiar with any

2116
01:40:52,010 --> 01:40:49,620
other documents legitimately classified

2117
01:40:54,110 --> 01:40:52,020
documents regarding a UFOs that have

2118
01:40:58,880 --> 01:40:54,120
been leaked to result there would be the

2119
01:41:03,290 --> 01:40:58,890
Truman memo there would be of God what's

2120
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:03,300
the FBI now I'm drawing a blank on the

2121
01:41:07,850 --> 01:41:05,850
title it's quite a few documents that

2122
01:41:11,090 --> 01:41:07,860
have been verified to come out

2123
01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:11,100
mentioning UFOs because well for a fact

2124
01:41:17,300 --> 01:41:13,710
UFOs have been studied by the Air Force

2125
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:17,310
and other agencies richard Dolan's book

2126
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:19,170
you have both of the national security

2127
01:41:26,030 --> 01:41:23,010
state he listens and shows examples of

2128
01:41:29,090 --> 01:41:26,040
numerous examples verified documents

2129
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:29,100
that communicated the interest in the

2130
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:31,710
study and and oh sure sure sure a lot of

2131
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:34,050
a lot of legitimate documents but they

2132
01:41:39,530 --> 01:41:36,090
became Declassified over a period of

2133
01:41:42,380 --> 01:41:39,540
years and became available saying as

2134
01:41:44,420 --> 01:41:42,390
specifically legitimate in the now are

2135
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:44,430
classified right now

2136
01:42:00,830 --> 01:41:48,650
UFO documents leaked to a researcher and

2137
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:00,840
God made public wanted to mention a

2138
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:02,610
stamp Freedman again is he does not

2139
01:42:08,900 --> 01:42:05,400
believe all the mj-12 documents are real

2140
01:42:12,440 --> 01:42:08,910
and he did a really great audit of them

2141
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:12,450
and that is on his website Stanton

2142
01:42:17,210 --> 01:42:14,850
Friedman dot-com and you'll see right

2143
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:17,220
there the mj-12 study he did which is

2144
01:42:21,470 --> 01:42:20,130
extensive beyond belief I mean it's just

2145
01:42:24,590 --> 01:42:21,480
almost I guess you could say it's

2146
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:24,600
forensic Lee done Michael I wanted to

2147
01:42:29,570 --> 01:42:28,050
ask you a question first let me talk a

2148
01:42:31,250 --> 01:42:29,580
little bit about what Michael did

2149
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,260
recently Frank and I were on the Dave

2150
01:42:36,860 --> 01:42:34,320
Scott show when Michael W Hall the

2151
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:36,870
attorney for grant Cameron went ahead

2152
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:40,890
and did the big reveal to let everybody

2153
01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:42,570
know that Grant Cameron had

2154
01:42:47,930 --> 01:42:46,380
new mj-12 documents moving on we had the

2155
01:42:50,690 --> 01:42:47,940
privilege of being able to interview

2156
01:42:53,450 --> 01:42:50,700
Michael and get a little bit more detail

2157
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:53,460
about those documents on our show and

2158
01:42:59,450 --> 01:42:56,490
then and now I wanted to ask Michael can

2159
01:43:02,450 --> 01:42:59,460
you describe as much detail as you feel

2160
01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:02,460
you're in a position to about what these

2161
01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:04,920
mj-12 documents are that Grant Cameron

2162
01:43:13,370 --> 01:43:08,820
is in possession of well you know first

2163
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:13,380
of all they characterize them just as

2164
01:43:19,610 --> 01:43:15,450
mj-12 documents I don't think that would

2165
01:43:24,620 --> 01:43:19,620
be fair at this point because basically

2166
01:43:27,620 --> 01:43:24,630
they are a larger set of not just the

2167
01:43:29,420 --> 01:43:27,630
idea of mj-12 but the fact that UFOs

2168
01:43:31,970 --> 01:43:29,430
exist and all those kinds of things

2169
01:43:35,480 --> 01:43:31,980
potentially even the Roswell New Mexico

2170
01:43:38,090 --> 01:43:35,490
crash you know happened so those are the

2171
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:38,100
issues that are all-encompassing in

2172
01:43:44,030 --> 01:43:40,770
these documents and you know I I don't

2173
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:44,040
want to get too ahead of myself in

2174
01:43:51,140 --> 01:43:48,480
trying to tell now what grant really

2175
01:43:53,660 --> 01:43:51,150
wants to put out there because I know

2176
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:53,670
he's still working on getting the

2177
01:43:59,840 --> 01:43:58,080
documents disseminated so at this you

2178
01:44:01,820 --> 01:43:59,850
know we've we've kind of gone over some

2179
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:01,830
of the details of what it is matter of

2180
01:44:08,300 --> 01:44:05,040
fact Richard Dolan you know in his Jimmy

2181
01:44:11,390 --> 01:44:08,310
Church interview which would have been

2182
01:44:13,730 --> 01:44:11,400
the fifth anniversary show that Jimmy

2183
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:13,740
Church did on fade to black which would

2184
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:17,970
have been December 19th of last year had

2185
01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:21,450
actually the same idea release Richard

2186
01:44:26,780 --> 01:44:24,450
Owen says he saw the same document that

2187
01:44:28,910 --> 01:44:26,790
we're talking about here and if people

2188
01:44:32,450 --> 01:44:28,920
want to really get into the details of

2189
01:44:33,860 --> 01:44:32,460
what the you know Richard Owens version

2190
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:33,870
of this document that would be one of

2191
01:44:39,380 --> 01:44:35,940
the best places to start because he

2192
01:44:45,230 --> 01:44:39,390
talks throughout this entire show about

2193
01:44:48,440 --> 01:44:45,240
how he was shown this document a very

2194
01:44:50,060 --> 01:44:48,450
lengthy manuscript at least of

2195
01:44:56,020 --> 01:44:50,070
conversations with high-ranking

2196
01:44:58,030 --> 01:44:56,030
officials and the fact that he could not

2197
01:45:01,870 --> 01:44:58,040
he could not take a photograph or even

2198
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:01,880
take notes of it but his source allowed

2199
01:45:05,770 --> 01:45:03,770
him to see it and that's a that's a

2200
01:45:08,380 --> 01:45:05,780
great place to start as far as anybody

2201
01:45:10,690 --> 01:45:08,390
wanting to get the details of what we're

2202
01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:10,700
dealing with here in the potential

2203
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:14,710
future release of not just mj-12

2204
01:45:21,010 --> 01:45:17,840
documentation or confirmation but a

2205
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:21,020
whole lot of other details that all of

2206
01:45:24,190 --> 01:45:22,370
us that you followed you would like to

2207
01:45:26,260 --> 01:45:24,200
know well there's so many topics

2208
01:45:27,610 --> 01:45:26,270
involved regarding what you're talking

2209
01:45:31,110 --> 01:45:27,620
about and thank you for correcting me on

2210
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:31,120
the categorizing as mj-12 when it's not

2211
01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:34,850
when one word if one were to actually do

2212
01:45:39,190 --> 01:45:36,710
research which I plan on doing regarding

2213
01:45:42,250 --> 01:45:39,200
Richard Dolan and the topic you're

2214
01:45:46,180 --> 01:45:42,260
talking about now what keywords would

2215
01:45:50,380 --> 01:45:46,190
one Google in order to find the

2216
01:45:55,050 --> 01:45:50,390
information you're talking about oh that

2217
01:45:58,270 --> 01:45:55,060
would be very easy you just Google Rich

2218
01:46:00,900 --> 01:45:58,280
Richard Dolan and Jimmy Church you could

2219
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:00,910
put those two together you fo-sho

2220
01:46:07,150 --> 01:46:04,850
interview or you could actually google

2221
01:46:10,450 --> 01:46:07,160
jimmy church's five-year anniversary

2222
01:46:12,490 --> 01:46:10,460
show because that was the the show that

2223
01:46:17,770 --> 01:46:12,500
they were I was just the last show that

2224
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:17,780
he did of 2018 on December 19th so that

2225
01:46:23,980 --> 01:46:19,610
would be a real easy way to find it yeah

2226
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:23,990
I think you've been clear about I think

2227
01:46:26,890 --> 01:46:25,370
you've been clear as laughable as this

2228
01:46:30,190 --> 01:46:26,900
sounds about how ambiguous this

2229
01:46:32,290 --> 01:46:30,200
situation is and that is that grant is

2230
01:46:35,500 --> 01:46:32,300
not going to tell us right now what

2231
01:46:37,090 --> 01:46:35,510
these documents are exactly like if if

2232
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:37,100
somebody were to ask an extremely

2233
01:46:42,250 --> 01:46:40,790
specific questions about it and he's not

2234
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:42,260
going to tell us when he's going to

2235
01:46:49,180 --> 01:46:44,570
disseminate them for the public to

2236
01:46:52,450 --> 01:46:49,190
scrutinize and then also wanted to make

2237
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:52,460
it clear that these are not classified

2238
01:46:55,780 --> 01:46:53,210
documents

2239
01:46:57,670 --> 01:46:55,790
they're not even they're just they're

2240
01:47:01,510 --> 01:46:57,680
basically not classified at all isn't

2241
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:01,520
that all correct yeah that's exactly

2242
01:47:04,810 --> 01:47:02,330
right

2243
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,820
so you know we're we're not skirting the

2244
01:47:09,290 --> 01:47:07,040
whole issue of publication plastic

2245
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:09,300
docket classified documents

2246
01:47:15,070 --> 01:47:11,760
which is fork is very fortunate for you

2247
01:47:19,220 --> 01:47:15,080
follow G we are basically talking about

2248
01:47:22,340 --> 01:47:19,230
the whole issue of you know we've had

2249
01:47:23,660 --> 01:47:22,350
disclosure and disclosure dribble to us

2250
01:47:27,370 --> 01:47:23,670
over the decades

2251
01:47:29,810 --> 01:47:27,380
on this subject and what I'm kind of

2252
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:29,820
claiming that these documents would be

2253
01:47:34,850 --> 01:47:32,210
more characterized as would be a

2254
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:34,860
confirmation of the issues that we're

2255
01:47:42,220 --> 01:47:37,970
talking about because these are very

2256
01:47:44,410 --> 01:47:42,230
interesting document document documented

2257
01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:44,420
statements by high-ranking individuals

2258
01:47:50,930 --> 01:47:47,490
so that's kind of what I'm

2259
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:50,940
characterizing these as and I think

2260
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:53,130
people will obviously when when it does

2261
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:56,610
come out it is just going to ask where

2262
01:48:00,380 --> 01:47:57,810
everybody's going to be having a whole

2263
01:48:01,730 --> 01:48:00,390
lot of other questions to ask but I'll

2264
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:01,740
tell you what it's gonna be a lot

2265
01:48:06,590 --> 01:48:04,410
farther along down the road as far as

2266
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:06,600
disclosure and confirmation goes I

2267
01:48:11,060 --> 01:48:09,090
believe okay and then out one key reason

2268
01:48:12,860 --> 01:48:11,070
why we brought up thank you Michael for

2269
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:12,870
saying that by the way one key reason

2270
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:16,770
why Frank and I wanted to bring you on

2271
01:48:24,050 --> 01:48:20,490
to the show aside from many others is

2272
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:24,060
because these were leaked documents to

2273
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:27,690
grant and by the way side note which is

2274
01:48:32,750 --> 01:48:30,570
really important everybody that has to

2275
01:48:39,620 --> 01:48:32,760
do with these documents are alive is

2276
01:48:40,990 --> 01:48:39,630
that correct or not Michael not not no

2277
01:48:43,250 --> 01:48:41,000
not everyone

2278
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:43,260
dealing with these documents are alive

2279
01:48:47,390 --> 01:48:45,780
but there are some high-ranking

2280
01:48:49,850 --> 01:48:47,400
officials definitely still alive

2281
01:48:52,190 --> 01:48:49,860
yeah okay and just to be clear Michael

2282
01:48:54,710 --> 01:48:52,200
you can leak something but if it's not

2283
01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:54,720
classified you're not necessarily in any

2284
01:48:59,650 --> 01:48:57,450
kind of legal jeopardy as a result of

2285
01:49:03,500 --> 01:48:59,660
that that'd be about right

2286
01:49:05,740 --> 01:49:03,510
well yes but then again you're talking

2287
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:05,750
about the difference potentially between

2288
01:49:11,690 --> 01:49:09,570
classified material and material that

2289
01:49:14,990 --> 01:49:11,700
could be presented clear and present

2290
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:15,000
danger like we've talked about before so

2291
01:49:21,230 --> 01:49:17,370
there's there are ways that you can

2292
01:49:23,049 --> 01:49:21,240
actually restrict you know information

2293
01:49:26,260 --> 01:49:23,059
that might not be classified as well

2294
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:26,270
so you know those kinds of things are

2295
01:49:29,979 --> 01:49:28,010
what we would call the you know pre

2296
01:49:32,859 --> 01:49:29,989
restraint restraining orders and those

2297
01:49:35,470 --> 01:49:32,869
kinds of things which in this case has

2298
01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:35,480
not happened thank you for that

2299
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:37,369
information Michael really appreciate

2300
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:39,730
your having spent time with us on that

2301
01:49:45,310 --> 01:49:42,650
Frank I wanted to move on to the caveat

2302
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:45,320
lawsuits is that okay yeah yeah let's

2303
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:47,690
say let's do this and we're talking

2304
01:49:50,890 --> 01:49:49,520
we're we're on now the legal trail here

2305
01:49:53,410 --> 01:49:50,900
now we've got the right guy to talk

2306
01:49:55,689 --> 01:49:53,420
about with this I'm sure Michael and I

2307
01:50:01,029 --> 01:49:55,699
know Dave you are Robert kiveat

2308
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:01,039
is suing Joe firmage Ron Pandolfi and a

2309
01:50:08,890 --> 01:50:03,770
mr. Marion who is apparently a financial

2310
01:50:11,890 --> 01:50:08,900
backer of Joe firma jizz efforts to put

2311
01:50:15,129 --> 01:50:11,900
together an anti-gravity device he

2312
01:50:16,899 --> 01:50:15,139
claims that he had an agreement to go to

2313
01:50:19,229 --> 01:50:16,909
work for them to work for them

2314
01:50:22,510 --> 01:50:19,239
essentially as their their media guy and

2315
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:22,520
now I guess that didn't work out in one

2316
01:50:30,100 --> 01:50:27,199
way or another and he is suing them Dave

2317
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,110
and now why you had a well and he's also

2318
01:50:36,549 --> 01:50:32,239
started a GoFundMe where he's also

2319
01:50:38,799 --> 01:50:36,559
looking to kind of mesh this lawsuit

2320
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:38,809
regarding a little lost wages that he is

2321
01:50:46,930 --> 01:50:42,050
claiming along with getting the entire

2322
01:50:49,450 --> 01:50:46,940
UFO secrecy conspiracy exposed through

2323
01:50:52,930 --> 01:50:49,460
this lawsuit he started to go fund me to

2324
01:50:55,060 --> 01:50:52,940
do that Dave he moderated the panel that

2325
01:50:58,540 --> 01:50:55,070
I believe you were on and the other

2326
01:51:00,399 --> 01:50:58,550
nimitz witnesses walk and Megacon you've

2327
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:00,409
met this guy why don't you tell us a

2328
01:51:07,870 --> 01:51:04,250
little bit about it yeah sure um I you

2329
01:51:11,169 --> 01:51:07,880
know I probably been talking to Bob for

2330
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:11,179
maybe the last six months he contacted

2331
01:51:16,779 --> 01:51:14,090
me you know after seeing my interest in

2332
01:51:18,970 --> 01:51:16,789
the nimitz case and seen some of my

2333
01:51:22,270 --> 01:51:18,980
graphics images that i had been putting

2334
01:51:25,959 --> 01:51:22,280
out there so he contacted me explaining

2335
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:25,969
his interest in pursuing television

2336
01:51:30,129 --> 01:51:28,489
series that deal with the phenomena and

2337
01:51:32,350 --> 01:51:30,139
he thought that perhaps there could be

2338
01:51:35,169 --> 01:51:32,360
some synergy there between our two

2339
01:51:36,850 --> 01:51:35,179
companies and you know he had been

2340
01:51:38,710 --> 01:51:36,860
hinting about this law

2341
01:51:40,990 --> 01:51:38,720
for a while I didn't know too much about

2342
01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:41,000
it he told me that it was in the works

2343
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:44,440
and so on he had discussed his work with

2344
01:51:48,610 --> 01:51:47,090
Jo firmage a little bit on the

2345
01:51:51,250 --> 01:51:48,620
peripheral and some of the people

2346
01:51:54,850 --> 01:51:51,260
involved I guess you know back when he

2347
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:54,860
first got in on that team doctor put off

2348
01:51:59,200 --> 01:51:57,170
and kit Green were there as well as

2349
01:52:03,160 --> 01:51:59,210
several other people that we know the

2350
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:03,170
names of and then last month in Lockland

2351
01:52:08,830 --> 01:52:06,890
they invited Bob out to give a an

2352
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:08,840
address where he basically spent an hour

2353
01:52:14,260 --> 01:52:12,290
talking about this lawsuit mainly you

2354
01:52:16,330 --> 01:52:14,270
know looking at if you look at the

2355
01:52:19,870 --> 01:52:16,340
lawsuit that the filing it's dealing

2356
01:52:21,550 --> 01:52:19,880
with his salary specifically that he was

2357
01:52:24,940 --> 01:52:21,560
not paid for the work that he claims

2358
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:24,950
that he did fir in turn acid and gel

2359
01:52:31,570 --> 01:52:27,290
firm urged his company and that mr.

2360
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:31,580
Pandolfi was a key in a key position

2361
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:34,810
within that company and I believe that

2362
01:52:45,940 --> 01:52:41,930
it's congressman Marriott yeah right

2363
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:45,950
that in in this suit he claims that mr.

2364
01:52:51,670 --> 01:52:49,090
Marriott had paid him some money

2365
01:52:53,770 --> 01:52:51,680
acknowledging that he was owed money and

2366
01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:53,780
that this was like a payment you know

2367
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:55,490
for work that he had done that he was in

2368
01:53:01,870 --> 01:52:59,360
arrears for so again I know Bob believes

2369
01:53:04,420 --> 01:53:01,880
that this is going to allow him to get

2370
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:04,430
some of these key players into the

2371
01:53:07,810 --> 01:53:06,080
courtroom and that's sort of one of the

2372
01:53:09,940 --> 01:53:07,820
main things in the press releases that

2373
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,950
he's done in the Gulf on amis like

2374
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:11,360
saying please help me with this lawsuit

2375
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:13,280
because that would allow us to get these

2376
01:53:17,130 --> 01:53:15,290
people into the courtroom and there's

2377
01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:17,140
been some debate as far as whether

2378
01:53:22,450 --> 01:53:19,670
somebody for instance from the CIA would

2379
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:22,460
be compelled to testify so that's kind

2380
01:53:28,030 --> 01:53:26,090
of as much as I know I do know that that

2381
01:53:30,010 --> 01:53:28,040
Panda fees position is basically and

2382
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:30,020
he's expressed this in writing on grants

2383
01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:31,970
page that he doesn't didn't have a

2384
01:53:39,190 --> 01:53:34,310
contract so we didn't have a deal so

2385
01:53:41,770 --> 01:53:39,200
that's basically their prison yeah and

2386
01:53:44,230 --> 01:53:41,780
again I don't know you know from my

2387
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:44,240
understanding Kivi it does have a

2388
01:53:49,540 --> 01:53:45,920
contract but I believe it's with mr.

2389
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:49,550
firmage so as you asked your point if

2390
01:53:52,359 --> 01:53:50,570
this

2391
01:53:54,189 --> 01:53:52,369
Pandolfi is not listed and has a

2392
01:53:56,830 --> 01:53:54,199
signature on a contract in the agreement

2393
01:53:58,930 --> 01:53:56,840
between them then that may present some

2394
01:54:01,479 --> 01:53:58,940
problems I'm not sure of contract law

2395
01:54:05,220 --> 01:54:01,489
and all that so there Michael you want

2396
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:05,230
to jump in here yeah Frank thanks for

2397
01:54:12,010 --> 01:54:08,290
for that that was a very good synopsis

2398
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:12,020
description by the way the issue of the

2399
01:54:15,310 --> 01:54:13,040
lawsuit

2400
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:15,320
I'd actually was able to download it

2401
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:18,170
like I think 2 or 2 days after was filed

2402
01:54:22,450 --> 01:54:20,690
in Orange County California so I

2403
01:54:25,419 --> 01:54:22,460
actually got a copy but right off hot

2404
01:54:28,060 --> 01:54:25,429
off the press and the interesting thing

2405
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:28,070
that I saw right away was the fact that

2406
01:54:35,470 --> 01:54:32,570
the supposed contract that was referred

2407
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:35,480
to which is referred to in the complaint

2408
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:38,570
itself was not attached to the complaint

2409
01:54:45,310 --> 01:54:41,690
so you really can't get into details on

2410
01:54:48,729 --> 01:54:45,320
the face of the document of whether you

2411
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:48,739
know there was any kind of on the face

2412
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:50,960
of the document breach of the contract

2413
01:54:55,089 --> 01:54:53,210
so that's going to be very interesting

2414
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:55,099
when that contract is callate out

2415
01:55:00,399 --> 01:54:57,199
whether it was partially oral whether it

2416
01:55:03,220 --> 01:55:00,409
was some of it was verbal and whether

2417
01:55:05,729 --> 01:55:03,230
some of it was modified even over the

2418
01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:05,739
period of time because I know that

2419
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:10,369
caveat was working for intern asked and

2420
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:12,770
fer mention and all those folks for

2421
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:15,770
quite a few months don't think it was

2422
01:55:21,459 --> 01:55:18,170
quite a few years but it was close to

2423
01:55:24,399 --> 01:55:21,469
two years at least of the kind of work

2424
01:55:27,609 --> 01:55:24,409
that he was known to be able to do as

2425
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:27,619
far as putting promotions and film

2426
01:55:33,580 --> 01:55:30,770
projects together for this group called

2427
01:55:36,669 --> 01:55:33,590
inter NASA oh that's uh that's kind of

2428
01:55:39,879 --> 01:55:36,679
fascinating that he actually believes he

2429
01:55:42,220 --> 01:55:39,889
has a case one of the interesting

2430
01:55:45,399 --> 01:55:42,230
synchronicity is about that case is when

2431
01:55:48,910 --> 01:55:45,409
I looked it up and finally downloaded

2432
01:55:53,410 --> 01:55:48,920
the document I come to find out that the

2433
01:55:56,500 --> 01:55:53,420
attorney for Robert caveat is an old law

2434
01:56:00,220 --> 01:55:56,510
school mate of mine from Southwestern

2435
01:56:03,490 --> 01:56:00,230
University in California so I often

2436
01:56:04,419 --> 01:56:03,500
thought since he's a younger man than I

2437
01:56:07,089 --> 01:56:04,429
am me

2438
01:56:09,489 --> 01:56:07,099
he could use some expertise but an old

2439
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:09,499
gunslinger ufologists oh one of these

2440
01:56:13,209 --> 01:56:11,119
days I might get get old

2441
01:56:15,699 --> 01:56:13,219
well he did mention that one of the

2442
01:56:21,189 --> 01:56:15,709
things that got him to move forward

2443
01:56:25,029 --> 01:56:21,199
along with firmage was the work of an

2444
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:25,039
unnamed UFO researcher who had basically

2445
01:56:29,229 --> 01:56:27,199
said that firmage is really making hay

2446
01:56:31,629 --> 01:56:29,239
with this project I'm gonna go out and a

2447
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:31,639
lemon suggests that that might be the

2448
01:56:35,319 --> 01:56:33,199
one and only grant camera that

2449
01:56:38,739 --> 01:56:35,329
particular UFO researcher but that's

2450
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:38,749
just wild speculation on my part there's

2451
01:56:42,549 --> 01:56:40,400
some really interesting yeah there's

2452
01:56:47,229 --> 01:56:42,559
some real interesting players involved

2453
01:56:50,890 --> 01:56:47,239
you know at Megacon Bob said that he

2454
01:56:52,779 --> 01:56:50,900
really believed that that Pandolfi was

2455
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:52,789
trying to sabotage Fuhrman at one point

2456
01:56:57,729 --> 01:56:55,610
in that that each time that there was

2457
01:57:01,149 --> 01:56:57,739
some break - there would be a higher bar

2458
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:01,159
that was placed in front of them and you

2459
01:57:05,699 --> 01:57:03,679
know I guess that you know there was

2460
01:57:08,529 --> 01:57:05,709
some work that was done in this

2461
01:57:11,469 --> 01:57:08,539
anti-gravity device that was successful

2462
01:57:13,479 --> 01:57:11,479
but in the end mr. Firman could never

2463
01:57:17,410 --> 01:57:13,489
provide like a demonstration to

2464
01:57:20,699 --> 01:57:17,420
officials and so on so I wanted to make

2465
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:20,709
a comment about the caveat lawsuit and

2466
01:57:24,729 --> 01:57:23,090
by the way I'm famous for butchering

2467
01:57:26,890 --> 01:57:24,739
names so if anybody ever wants to

2468
01:57:28,839 --> 01:57:26,900
interrupt me - it - correct me on saying

2469
01:57:31,490 --> 01:57:28,849
names I think for a while is calling Joe

2470
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:31,500
permit Joe fromage like a target RJ

2471
01:57:45,279 --> 01:57:42,069
right

2472
01:57:47,859 --> 01:57:45,289
he's a meal now anyway

2473
01:57:50,350 --> 01:57:47,869
regarding the caveat lawsuit I wanted to

2474
01:57:52,149 --> 01:57:50,360
read a little bit about that lawsuit and

2475
01:57:54,250 --> 01:57:52,159
then also wanted to read some

2476
01:57:56,580 --> 01:57:54,260
interesting and very funny comments some

2477
01:57:59,919 --> 01:57:56,590
people have made about it and that is a

2478
01:58:02,049 --> 01:57:59,929
Robert caveat lawsuit of a known in tell

2479
01:58:04,540 --> 01:58:02,059
agent lawsuit against CIA's Ron

2480
01:58:08,399 --> 01:58:04,550
pandolfini company named in his lawsuit

2481
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:08,409
or in turn asseh its CEO Joe furnish a

2482
01:58:13,359 --> 01:58:11,360
longtime CIA scientist

2483
01:58:15,699 --> 01:58:13,369
Ron Chen belfie who was working with

2484
01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:15,709
intern asked and investor Daniel

2485
01:58:20,330 --> 01:58:18,239
Marriott a Utah congressman if

2486
01:58:22,100 --> 01:58:20,340
David Marion listed here I don't know if

2487
01:58:26,689 --> 01:58:22,110
we're oh okay we'll just say Dee

2488
01:58:30,439 --> 01:58:26,699
Mariette how's that but a mr. Mariette

2489
01:58:33,439 --> 01:58:30,449
knows that you talk congressman but if

2490
01:58:35,479 --> 01:58:33,449
anybody wants to look up that

2491
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:35,489
information regarding the caveat lawsuit

2492
01:58:40,879 --> 01:58:38,249
they'll probably end up seeing the first

2493
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:40,889
page of the lawsuit a picture of it that

2494
01:58:45,500 --> 01:58:44,130
somebody so graciously put online I

2495
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:45,510
don't know which one they'll see I know

2496
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:49,440
the one I saw it was fascinating some of

2497
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:51,360
the comments that I've seen people make

2498
01:58:56,930 --> 01:58:54,090
about this are regarding Rob Robert

2499
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:56,940
caveat famed Fox network TV producer

2500
01:59:00,500 --> 01:58:58,800
files lawsuit against CIA agents

2501
01:59:02,629 --> 01:59:00,510
information scientists this was on a

2502
01:59:06,020 --> 01:59:02,639
forum does anyone else see the irony

2503
01:59:08,290 --> 01:59:06,030
that a producer of Fox News specialist

2504
01:59:10,939 --> 01:59:08,300
factual documentary programming is

2505
01:59:13,759 --> 01:59:10,949
mythological followed izing the

2506
01:59:16,750 --> 01:59:13,769
paranormal for a profit is suing someone

2507
01:59:19,129 --> 01:59:16,760
because they are a disinformation agent

2508
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:19,139
who's really telling the truth here is

2509
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:21,599
anyone making a profit on the paranormal

2510
01:59:25,489 --> 01:59:23,730
interested in truth I don't know these

2511
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:25,499
are crazy times and then someone else

2512
01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:27,210
jumped in on the same thread and said

2513
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:30,239
I'm skeptical that we'll learn anything

2514
01:59:34,879 --> 01:59:32,610
from the suit it's a civil suit to

2515
01:59:37,279 --> 01:59:34,889
recover wages hard to see why it would

2516
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:37,289
focus into the company's operations in

2517
01:59:42,620 --> 01:59:39,570
depth they just need to establish that

2518
01:59:45,049 --> 01:59:42,630
money's indeed is indeed owed and figure

2519
01:59:46,459 --> 01:59:45,059
out who's paying how does anybody feel

2520
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:46,469
about those comments are they accurate

2521
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:52,800
the sentiments well I would wonder if if

2522
01:59:58,370 --> 01:59:55,110
you know the assumption that that

2523
02:00:01,160 --> 01:59:58,380
lawsuit on that basis would lead to you

2524
02:00:03,709 --> 02:00:01,170
know exposure of you know the UFO

2525
02:00:05,390 --> 02:00:03,719
reality or some kind of disclosure from

2526
02:00:08,959 --> 02:00:05,400
the government I mean when you think

2527
02:00:12,850 --> 02:00:08,969
about it for example I think it was 1994

2528
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:12,860
there was a lawsuit against area 51 and

2529
02:00:21,020 --> 02:00:17,210
several staff had been harmed by burning

2530
02:00:23,029 --> 02:00:21,030
chemicals I think yeah and and you know

2531
02:00:24,879 --> 02:00:23,039
that suit didn't go anywhere ultimately

2532
02:00:27,529 --> 02:00:24,889
I think it was President Clinton

2533
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:27,539
released a presidential order you can't

2534
02:00:31,220 --> 02:00:30,690
do this and ultimately the the thing was

2535
02:00:33,620 --> 02:00:31,230
distant

2536
02:00:35,180 --> 02:00:33,630
so it just seems like if you know if

2537
02:00:37,070 --> 02:00:35,190
you're gonna touch their eyeball they're

2538
02:00:38,210 --> 02:00:37,080
gonna blink you know so I'm not sure

2539
02:00:40,910 --> 02:00:38,220
that would lead that way I'd be

2540
02:00:43,610 --> 02:00:40,920
interested to see if anyone else thinks

2541
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:43,620
so at least we got that I mean they

2542
02:00:48,710 --> 02:00:45,930
finally went on record and told us there

2543
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:48,720
was such a thing it's area 51 yeah does

2544
02:00:58,490 --> 02:00:53,970
the personal work yeah yeah okay just a

2545
02:01:02,360 --> 02:00:58,500
gossip here wah-ha-ha-ha wanted to talk

2546
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:02,370
about ronk Pandolfi so I'm gonna ask a

2547
02:01:07,730 --> 02:01:04,650
really naive question and I was hoping

2548
02:01:10,810 --> 02:01:07,740
somebody could answer if not oh well and

2549
02:01:13,460 --> 02:01:10,820
that is is Ron Pandolfi a confirmed

2550
02:01:16,940 --> 02:01:13,470
intelligence agent if so how do we know

2551
02:01:23,780 --> 02:01:16,950
did he say that himself well he's worked

2552
02:01:26,210 --> 02:01:23,790
for the CIA okay Bob had answered that

2553
02:01:28,940 --> 02:01:26,220
question that I believe there was a

2554
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:28,950
newspaper article I'm not sure which it

2555
02:01:34,970 --> 02:01:31,410
was The Times or there was some national

2556
02:01:37,070 --> 02:01:34,980
newspaper that had done an article about

2557
02:01:38,420 --> 02:01:37,080
him in the past that listed him as that

2558
02:01:41,090 --> 02:01:38,430
and he was kind of referring back to

2559
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:41,100
that as evidence that yes he was but

2560
02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:43,410
again aside from that I don't know that

2561
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:46,110
anyone that works there is going to you

2562
02:01:53,660 --> 02:01:48,330
know put a name tag on it says CIA

2563
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:53,670
officer on you know yeah service they

2564
02:02:01,880 --> 02:01:56,010
give you a little star on the wall your

2565
02:02:05,090 --> 02:02:01,890
name has gone there I think they're sick

2566
02:02:06,650 --> 02:02:05,100
of gold that's all you get yeah Antron

2567
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:06,660
graham crackers we got gold stars and

2568
02:02:09,380 --> 02:02:07,920
graham crackers when I was in

2569
02:02:16,430 --> 02:02:09,390
kindergarten I don't know about you guys

2570
02:02:18,710 --> 02:02:16,440
yeah that was just last year right I

2571
02:02:20,060 --> 02:02:18,720
wanted to talk just in Frank is gonna

2572
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:20,070
kill me for doing this but just really

2573
02:02:26,780 --> 02:02:22,850
quickly with Shane heard about Rick Doty

2574
02:02:29,780 --> 02:02:26,790
confirmed intelligence agents can that

2575
02:02:32,150 --> 02:02:29,790
be said accurately Frank that Rick Doty

2576
02:02:34,460 --> 02:02:32,160
is a confirmed oh yes intelligence

2577
02:02:36,410 --> 02:02:34,470
agents I thought so too on my

2578
02:02:38,950 --> 02:02:36,420
understanding is Paul Dehn actually

2579
02:02:43,100 --> 02:02:38,960
brought forward some good foil

2580
02:02:45,290 --> 02:02:43,110
information on him a quite a bit of it

2581
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:45,300
and then my other

2582
02:02:50,510 --> 02:02:47,850
a bit of the information I got is that

2583
02:02:52,580 --> 02:02:50,520
Linda Moulton Howe and George Knapp both

2584
02:02:55,310 --> 02:02:52,590
interviewed him and in their own way

2585
02:02:57,980 --> 02:02:55,320
they confirmed his background shame you

2586
02:02:59,660 --> 02:02:57,990
saw Rick Doty speak at the recent UFO

2587
02:03:01,730 --> 02:02:59,670
mega conference which was produced by

2588
02:03:04,780 --> 02:03:01,740
lorian's benton and bob brown how did

2589
02:03:07,610 --> 02:03:04,790
that go yeah I was pretty interesting I

2590
02:03:09,620 --> 02:03:07,620
you know I was pretty shocked actually

2591
02:03:11,900 --> 02:03:09,630
to see him presenting knowing his

2592
02:03:14,930 --> 02:03:11,910
background and past experience and

2593
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:14,940
reputation so forth with you followed

2594
02:03:21,020 --> 02:03:17,010
you regarding the Paul bennewitz case so

2595
02:03:24,380 --> 02:03:21,030
was a little shocking but yeah the the

2596
02:03:26,420 --> 02:03:24,390
presentation I my impression of it was

2597
02:03:30,980 --> 02:03:26,430
he was just really explaining himself

2598
02:03:34,220 --> 02:03:30,990
and his role in that whole event and was

2599
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:34,230
really aiming to get the audience to you

2600
02:03:40,100 --> 02:03:37,710
know accept accept him in his role that

2601
02:03:42,500 --> 02:03:40,110
that you know they were actually friends

2602
02:03:45,170 --> 02:03:42,510
he and Paul bennewitz and you know he

2603
02:03:47,650 --> 02:03:45,180
kind of got a bum rap on the whole thing

2604
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:47,660
but and he you know he had a

2605
02:03:52,670 --> 02:03:50,490
bullet-pointed presentation and he you

2606
02:03:55,940 --> 02:03:52,680
know he didn't hold back from you know

2607
02:03:58,700 --> 02:03:55,950
stating certain things but just given

2608
02:04:01,880 --> 02:03:58,710
who he is and his his his role you know

2609
02:04:03,860 --> 02:04:01,890
I would really think they need to be

2610
02:04:07,100 --> 02:04:03,870
confirmed by someone else some of those

2611
02:04:09,140 --> 02:04:07,110
statements okay

2612
02:04:12,410 --> 02:04:09,150
well Frank I wanted to tell you

2613
02:04:14,510 --> 02:04:12,420
something you and I were talking before

2614
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:14,520
this show and you said there's not much

2615
02:04:20,090 --> 02:04:16,050
in the way of current events do you

2616
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:20,100
still believe that we covered quite a

2617
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:21,690
bit as far as current events goes we

2618
02:04:26,690 --> 02:04:24,510
filled almost over two and a half hours

2619
02:04:29,900 --> 02:04:26,700
so I think this would be a great time to

2620
02:04:31,580 --> 02:04:29,910
wrap everything up thank our guess but I

2621
02:04:35,810 --> 02:04:31,590
do I do have an announcement to make

2622
02:04:37,340 --> 02:04:35,820
Frank and that is I missed something on

2623
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:37,350
our last show and I meant to

2624
02:04:46,770 --> 02:04:40,170
congratulate Frank for his one-year

2625
02:04:51,140 --> 02:04:48,760
[Music]

2626
02:04:53,630 --> 02:04:51,150
it's been a great experience especially

2627
02:04:56,630 --> 02:04:53,640
when things go without technical

2628
02:04:59,870 --> 02:04:56,640
difficulties all right and so digital

2629
02:05:06,680 --> 02:04:59,880
beer everyone and I I just wanted I've

2630
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:06,690
got a real one you push other people

2631
02:05:11,630 --> 02:05:09,090
pushed that we can find it here about to

2632
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:11,640
go like to the specialty store you know

2633
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:23,250
to get it but I wanted to do a show with

2634
02:05:34,730 --> 02:05:32,970
that milliampere but I do want to jump

2635
02:05:38,770 --> 02:05:34,740
in he's going to be on coast to coast

2636
02:05:49,820 --> 02:05:47,060
congratulations rich will stay up late

2637
02:05:55,940 --> 02:05:49,830
and listen just don't admit your

2638
02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:55,950
ufologist was actually actually coming

2639
02:05:59,900 --> 02:05:57,930
to the SU conference but he couldn't get

2640
02:06:01,760 --> 02:05:59,910
at the last minute they did let him have

2641
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:01,770
the money but we were looking forward to

2642
02:06:07,970 --> 02:06:04,290
him coming there as well well maybe he

2643
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:07,980
can started GoFundMe hey Jeff Crouse I I

2644
02:06:14,210 --> 02:06:12,090
had a you said you uh you were going to

2645
02:06:17,390 --> 02:06:14,220
go to a few UFO conferences this year

2646
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:17,400
can you tell us which ones they are

2647
02:06:24,230 --> 02:06:20,730
well I'll be speaking at alien Con the

2648
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:24,240
21st 22nd and 23rd of June this year

2649
02:06:31,070 --> 02:06:27,570
down in Los Angeles which is the only

2650
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:31,080
one for sure that I'm going to I might

2651
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:37,440
go to the MUFON symposium verified that

2652
02:06:43,190 --> 02:06:40,560
and if I do that'll probably be by

2653
02:06:47,690 --> 02:06:43,200
Phyllis conferences unless I decide to

2654
02:06:49,460 --> 02:06:47,700
jet over to Roswell okay and I wanted to

2655
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:49,470
just let everybody know before Frank

2656
02:06:54,290 --> 02:06:52,170
wraps up this show that the newest UFO

2657
02:06:56,300 --> 02:06:54,300
conference happening right now is the

2658
02:06:58,340 --> 02:06:56,310
32nd annual Ozark Mountain UFO

2659
02:06:58,879 --> 02:06:58,350
conference which is going on April 12th

2660
02:07:01,790 --> 02:06:58,889
through the four

2661
02:07:05,359 --> 02:07:01,800
obviously ending today and Tom Whitnall

2662
02:07:05,869 --> 02:07:05,369
Tom Whitmore MUFON board member attended

2663
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:05,879
that event

2664
02:07:09,439 --> 02:07:07,530
I'll give his special report on that the

2665
02:07:11,419 --> 02:07:09,449
next show I did want to just go ahead

2666
02:07:14,119 --> 02:07:11,429
and tell everybody goodbye but before I

2667
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:14,129
do that I wanted to name off who was on

2668
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our show today regarding our highly

2669
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:18,539
experienced panel and the realm of us

2670
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follow G and that is Shane herd field

2671
02:07:26,929 --> 02:07:24,869
investigator for Phoenix MUFON Earl Earl

2672
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Gray the chief and field investigator

2673
02:07:30,949 --> 02:07:28,530
for the Southern California Chapter of

2674
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:30,959
MUFON we have Jeff Crouse the state

2675
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director of MUFON Southern California

2676
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and his bird dr. Harvey Scott an apology

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02:07:46,399 --> 02:07:45,179
related books Ohio history and a former

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member of the board of directors of

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MUFON

2680
02:07:51,619 --> 02:07:49,439
rich Hoffman executive board member for

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the Scientific Coalition for youth ology

2682
02:07:56,719 --> 02:07:54,689
also known as SCU Dave CBT

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and Emmy Award Wing they'll make her a

2684
02:08:01,009 --> 02:07:59,039
producer he's also the creator of an

2685
02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:01,019
important movie on the USS Nimitz called

2686
02:08:08,270 --> 02:08:04,169
the u.s. nimitz encounters michael w

2687
02:08:10,639 --> 02:08:08,280
hall paranormal a lawyer head of the UFO

2688
02:08:13,969 --> 02:08:10,649
eye team investigation organization and

2689
02:08:15,469 --> 02:08:13,979
has his own podcast and i just want to

2690
02:08:17,629 --> 02:08:15,479
thank everybody for having been on the

2691
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show today it's been a blast thanks a

2692
02:08:23,719 --> 02:08:20,070
lot everybody thank you thank you thank

2693
02:08:25,609 --> 02:08:23,729
you okay move on that's it we're gonna

2694
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:25,619
wrap up the show and we're gonna take

2695
02:08:30,649 --> 02:08:28,320
off Easter obviously yeah for the big

2696
02:08:33,619 --> 02:08:30,659
holiday and then we will be back on the

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28th we have scheduled dr. Michael